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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Keithiow on Tuesday 15 March 22 11:14 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I am trying to find my Father and his family in the 1921 census.
I think he was either in Warrington or Manchester, I know at his birth, the family home was a grocers shop.
The family then moved to Manchester, 1939 register confirms.
Checking in the 1921 census address search I can find neither of the addresses, but properties either side which were residential are there.
Did the census record business properties?
Have also tried search by name for the wider area but drawn a blank!
Any ideas?
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There are a lot of mis-transcriptions; have you tried using a wildcard approach for their names?
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Hi,
I have tried all variant options to click or enter part names I have come across in the past, but no joy.
I find it strange that in the address search the property numbers are missing, but adjacent properties are there.
I have found a kelly's directory for 1933 with my GF name and the address in question.
I have not found any directories for Manchester and Salford going back to 1920's, does anyone know if they exist?
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Have you tried the electoral rolls on FindMyPast? They have Manchester & Salford from that era.
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I'm looking through Ancestry's content at the moment, I don't have a Findmypast subscription.
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Have you considered they may have been on holiday?
CD
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Didn't cross my mind!
Would someone not call back later?
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Who are you looking for ? And what address(es) ?
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Have you tried the advanced search
Input just the surname and in the address field put the name of the street (complete with Road/Avenue/Street etc as appropriate)
Then scan down the list and hover over the icons to see if you can suss out which of them have other names that you recognise?
Fiddling round with the search like that can often bring up results.
It would work just as well with just a first name and a street address.
Boo
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Didn't cross my mind!
Would someone not call back later?
No, they are enumerated at their holiday digs. Sometimes there is a note on the on the enumeration form of their home address to say they are on hols. Some even say where! These don't necessarily make it into the name index.
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Surely if it's a business address with no one resident there,then there wouldn't be a census form completed there?
When I was an enumerator for the 81,91,and 2001 censuses we were told to only leave them at addresses where people lived.
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Surely if it's a business address with no one resident there,then there wouldn't be a census form completed there?
When I was an enumerator for the 81,91,and 2001 censuses we were told to only leave them at addresses where people lived.
My OH's G Grandparents and their family were enumerated in 1921, their address was also their shop address (I believe they lived above the shop). It was also the address on the children's birth certificates and marriage certificates for at least 3 of them.
Boo
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ShaunJ,
The names I am looking for are,
John Evans, GF, born 1881 in Liverpool
Elizabeth Ann Evans, GM, born 1883 in Warrington
Lilian Mary Evans, Aunt, born 1907 in Warrington
John Francis Evans, Father, born 1911 in Warrington
Sydney Thomas Evans, Uncle, born 1914 in Warrington
Possible places,
110 Algernon St, Warrington
444 & 446 Ashton Old Road, Openshaw, Manchester
I did also try the whole of Lancashire but returned no obvious results.
Thanks
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I would suggest you do a search nationally to see if they were on holiday. As others have mentioned if you hover the mouse above the ink it will show the other residents.
I live in a holiday area of North Wales and the 1921 census entries O have looked at for our town have many people from the North West of England and the Midlands staying on various hotels - I've been trying to track an aunt or two who worked at a hotel so everytime I have a bit spare I'll buy another couple of images !
Nesta
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1929 Manchester Directory has Evans, Jn, Pawnbroker at 444 and 446 Ashton Old Road
Looking for earlier ones.....
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1929 Manchester Directory has Evans, Jn, Pawnbroker at 444 and 446 Ashton Old Road
Looking for earlier ones.....
That's the one, can I ask where you are looking at the directory from, I couldn't find any online.
Ancestry only seems to go down to 1933?
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The 1929 Directory is on Ancestry. I just searched for "Ashton Old Road" as a keyword.
This link will take you to image 1878 - click on the image, change 1878 to 106 and click on "Go".
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/19294743:3145
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The 1929 Directory is on Ancestry. I just searched for "Ashton Old Road" as a keyword.
This link will take you to image 1878 - click on the image, change 1878 to 106 and click on "Go".
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/19294743:3145
Ah, great, thanks.
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If there was nobody in the premises on the night of the census, then nobody would have been recorded there. The census is asking the question, "Who is here this night?" so non-residential premises would have not had a record, and people away from home should have been enumerated where they were at the time.
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Lilian Mary Evans, Aunt, born 1907 in Warrington
John Francis Evans, Father, born 1911 in Warrington
Sydney Thomas Evans, Uncle, born 1914 in Warrington
Was Elizabeth Anns surname Daniels :-\. Birth registrations don't have middle names for first two children
EVANS, LILY mmn DANIELS
GRO Reference: 1907 March Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 238
EVANS, JOHN mmn DANIELS
GRO Reference: 1912 March Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 405
EVANS, SIDNEY THOMAS mmn DANIELS
GRO Reference: 1914 Dec Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 373
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Was Elizabeth Anns surname Daniels :-\. Birth registrations don't have middle names for first two children
EVANS, LILY mmn DANIELS
GRO Reference: 1907 March Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 238
EVANS, JOHN mmn DANIELS
GRO Reference: 1912 March Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 405
EVANS, SIDNEY THOMAS mmn DANIELS
GRO Reference: 1914 Dec Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 373
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Yes, those are the correct people.
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If there was nobody in the premises on the night of the census, then nobody would have been recorded there. The census is asking the question, "Who is here this night?" so non-residential premises would have not had a record, and people away from home should have been enumerated where they were at the time.
I think the shop in Warrington was in the back streets and was a grocers shop. I think the family lived over the shop as that is the address on my fathers birth certificate.
The shop in Manchester I am unsure if they lived there over the shop but assume they did as they bought a new 3 bed semi in another part of Manchester for £750 in the late 1930's.
The trouble is I can't find any family with the right names on the 1921 in Manchester, and that's whats confusing me.
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I think the shop in Warrington was in the back streets and was a grocers shop
But he was a pawnbroker by 1911 (per census and John junior's baptism)
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I think the shop in Warrington was in the back streets and was a grocers shop
But he was a pawnbroker by 1911 (per census and John junior's baptism)
Yes, he was a pawnbroker but his wife Elizabeth was a grocer in 1911.
Interestingly the Warrington property, 110 Algernon St, is not listed in the 1939, it leaps from 109 to 111?