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Title: Ellington? 1851 Census birth location for Smith family
Post by: 3lle00 on Saturday 12 March 22 15:23 GMT (UK)
Hi, I'm trying to decipher the birth locations for my Smith family who were gypsies so I'm aware that births were not registered and they often don't appear in the censuses as I have found out already. However I cannot make out where this birth location could be for Esther Smith b. 1847 see attached.

Any help appreciated, from a Google search all I could see was Ellington Lodge .

* I could also ask the same for Rosetta Smith b. Helmington, Essex?
Wife Elizabeth Smith born Baldee (Baldock) Hertfordshire (this is another question in itself though she is nee Lee.
Title: Re: Ellington? 1851 Census birth location for Smith family
Post by: rutht22000 on Saturday 12 March 22 15:45 GMT (UK)
Hi

There is an Allington, near Eastleigh that could be the one for Esther. It could be the enumerator misheard maybe?

There's also a Helmingham in Suffolk which of course borders Essex but I'm less sure on that one  ;)
Title: Re: Ellington? 1851 Census birth location for Smith family
Post by: 3lle00 on Saturday 12 March 22 15:51 GMT (UK)
Oh thank you! Yes they did gander into suffolk as travellers so that it possible too!
Title: Re: Ellington? 1851 Census birth location for Smith family
Post by: bearkat on Saturday 12 March 22 18:04 GMT (UK)
Could it be Ellington, Hunts?

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HUN/Ellington
Title: Re: Ellington? 1851 Census birth location for Smith family
Post by: Norfolkman47 on Saturday 12 March 22 20:00 GMT (UK)
There is also an Ellingham in Hampshire, near Ringwood on the western edge of the New Forest. I've played cricket there.
Title: Re: Ellington? 1851 Census birth location for Smith family
Post by: softly softly on Saturday 12 March 22 20:45 GMT (UK)
Do you have details of the family post 1851 census.

John
Title: Re: Ellington? 1851 Census birth location for Smith family
Post by: osprey on Saturday 12 March 22 22:27 GMT (UK)
baptisms
Elmdon, Essex 5 Jan 1845 Rosetta daughter of Frederick, chairman, & Elizabeth Smith
Wendens Ambo, Essex 14 Jan 1849 Pamelia daughter of Frederick & Elizabeth Smith
Loughton, Essex 10 Mar 1867 Frederick born 19 Dec 1850 son of Frederick, chair maker, & Elizabeth Smith
Title: Re: Ellington? 1851 Census birth location for Smith family
Post by: 3lle00 on Sunday 13 March 22 11:45 GMT (UK)
Quote from: johnhood on Saturday 12 March 22 20:45 GMT (UK)
Do you have details of the family post 1851 census.

John

Hi John! Its rather a difficult one. I'm not related to Esther, but rather her brother James Smith
 Here is the information I have! I was just hoping to find some info as to if mother Elizabeth was the actual mother as I know the kids moved around bit within the Gypsy community. *This is the same family connected to the known *Gypsy Smith.

Here is the info on births from the Census that they appear on.

Rosetta Smith - b. 1845 Helmington, Essex - 1851 Census,
                       b. 1845 - NK, 1871 Census (married to Edward Thorpe)
                       b. 1846, Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, 1891 Census
                       b. 1859 NK, 1901 (?)
b. 1845-d. 1912

Esther Smith - b. 1847 Ellington Hampshire - 1851 Census.
There is not other info for her neither can I find a suitable death or marriage

Pamella Smith b. 1849 Wendons ambo - 1851 Census
                      b. 1844 Wendons ambo - 1881 Census (married James Shoesmith)
Died 1902 Romford


Frederick Smith b. 1851, Bakers, Suffolk - 1851 Census
                        b. 1853, Loughton, Essex, 1881 Census had married Caroline Smith
                        b. 1851, NK 1891 Census
                        b. 1851, Bury St Edmonds 1901 Census
                        b. 1851 Bury St Edmonds 1911 Census
Haven't looked at 1921 census yet


James Smith- b.1860 Brentwood Essex, 1881 census
                     b. 1860 Brentwood 1891 Census
                     b. 1860 Brentwood 1901 Census
                      b. 1861 England 1911 Census
also in 1939 register

Edward Smith- b. 1864- Loughton Essex 1881 Census.

Hope that all makes sense

 

Title: Re: Ellington? 1851 Census birth location for Smith family
Post by: 3lle00 on Sunday 13 March 22 12:00 GMT (UK)
Quote from: osprey on Saturday 12 March 22 22:27 GMT (UK)
baptisms
Elmdon, Essex 5 Jan 1845 Rosetta daughter of Frederick, chairman, & Elizabeth Smith
Wendens Ambo, Essex 14 Jan 1849 Pamelia daughter of Frederick & Elizabeth Smith
Loughton, Essex 10 Mar 1867 Frederick born 19 Dec 1850 son of Frederick, chair maker, & Elizabeth Smith

Hi, Im aware father Frederick was a Chairman, were these on the births too? I can find them on ancestry/family search etc but with no images
Thanks
Title: Re: Ellington? 1851 Census birth location for Smith family
Post by: osprey on Sunday 13 March 22 15:38 GMT (UK)
the baptisms aren't in the Bts images on FamilySearch. I posted them in case they helped others looking for their census entries.
 
Baptism St Peter in the Forest, Walthamstow
19 April 1863 Edward son of Frederick, chair maker, and Elizabeth Smith

James was baptised the same day as his brother Frederick, his date of birth noted as 14 Dec 1858.

Another baptism
Braintree 30 Sept 1853 Cornelius son of Frederick, chair mender, & Elizabeth Smith, date of birth noted as 19 Sept 1853.
Possible birth regs
Cornelius Smith sept qtr 1853 Braintree vol 4a pg 276 mmn Law
also a possible twin, William, with same ref baptised same day as Cornelius but father noted as Abraham, chair mender
James Smith dec qtr 1858 Billericay vol 4a pg 114 mmn Law
Joshua Smith june qtr 1860 Saffron Walden vol 4a pg 364 mmn Law - burial Bartlow, Cambs 22 April 1861 Joshua Smith aged 11 months