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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Denbighshire => Topic started by: JamesDMcBust on Friday 11 March 22 14:56 GMT (UK)
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I cannot seem to trace an ancestor, EDWARD EDWARDS, born 1873 Brymbo/Broughton, Denbighshire in the 1871, 1881 or 1891 census records.
Edward’s Father: Peter Edwards. Mother: Sarah (nee Williams)
I would have expected him to have been listed with his parents in 1871 and probably as a servant in 1881. He married in 1886 in Gwersyllt, and two children followed before the 1891 census was taken.
(Head) Edward Edwards b.1873 Brymbo, Broughton, Denbighshire
(wife) Annie Edwards (nee Barratt) b.1864 Gwersyllt, Wrexham, Denbighshire
(children)
Elsie Fanny Edwards b.16 Dec 1888, Bradley Mill, Wrexham
Harry Edwards b. 22 Feb 1891, Bradley Mill, Wrexham
Can anyone see Edward in 1871 and 1881, or Edward, Annie, Elsie and Harry in 1891?
Edward and Annie with children in 1901 and 1911.
(1901) Living in Wheatsheaf, Gwersyllt, Denbighshire
Edward 38
Annie 37
Harry 10
Ida A 9
Doria(s) E 4
Phyllis M 2
John S 6m
(1911) Living Glanllyn, Gwersyllt, Denbighshire
Edward 48
Annie 47
Harry 20
Idda 19
Doris 14
Phyllis M 12
John S 9
William T 6
Any help would be appreciated.
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You need to amend your post
EDWARD EDWARDS born 1863 Brymbo/Broughton
I cannot seem to trace an ancestor, EDWARD EDWARDS, born 1873 Brymbo/Broughton, Denbighshire in the 1871
(Head) Edward Edwards b.1873 Brymbo, Broughton, Denbighshire
header says 1863 but other references say 1873/1863
You also say you can't find him in 1891 but have quoted the 1891 entry??
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Carole, he married in 1886 so would have been only 13 if born 1873. ;D ;D
John
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I know - but post needs amending to read 1863 where it now says 1873. It also asks for an 1891 lookup but quotes the 1891 entry?
If you are unable to trace him in any census pre-marriage - where did you get both parents names from?
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This might be him with the family in 1871 in Gwersyllt. Sarah was a widow.
RG10/5654/101/6
1881, with brother John in Gwersyllt
RG11/5517/109/1
I used 1863 as his birth year.
Gadget
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Was father, Peter,born about 1822?
If so he was buried in Gwersyllt 1 May 1869, aged 47.
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Father Peter married Sarah Williams 30.10.1846 Liverpool. Image on Ancestry.
John
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That's not really an answer to my question, John.
I gave you the refs to two censuses and suggested that Peter had died in 1869 as Sarah was a widow in 1871.
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This ws my post that you might have missed.
This might be him with the family in 1871 in Gwersyllt. Sarah was a widow.
RG10/5654/101/6
1881, with brother John in Gwersyllt
RG11/5517/109/1
I used 1863 as his birth year.
Gadget
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I am so sorry, I've made several blunders in this post.
Edward Edwards was born 1863.
I can only see him in 1901 and 1911 census (with wife and children), but no other census.
Yes his father Peter was born 1822. I didn't have a burial for him.
Edward's marriage to Annie Barratt gave his father as Peter Edwards. I have a baptism 19 Oct 1862, Gresford to Peter and Sarah.
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If they lived in Summerhill, Gwersyllt, then Peter died in 1869. (not 1861 as I said earlier - typos are catching!)
If you use the refs that I gave for the censuses, you'll find the families.
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Thank you so much for your help. Can you please explain how I can find the relevant census page from the references you've given?
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1891 census, note Ancestry's transcribed surname.
Piece: 4617
Folio: 98
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Eward 28
Annie Eward 27
Elsie Eward 2
Harry Eward 3/12
John
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James, I'm busy at the moment but will put up the 1871 and 1881 for you later- or John might oblige
:)
John see my refs in earlier reply.
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James, do you have access to Ancestry, if so I will explain how to use the codes.
John
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Can you please explain how I can find the relevant census page from the references you've given?
Access the 1871 search page - input surname
Scroll down & you will see
Piece
Folio
Page Number
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As Carole has said open 1871 census main page, scroll down and select 1871 Wales census, this opens up the boxes for input of piece, folio,page.
John
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Thank you both for explaining this. I've learnt something new today!
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Great, Edwards parents ref on 1851 welsh census piece 2504 folio 80 page 31.
Happy hunting.
John
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Marriage entry on 30 Oct 1846 has Peter's father as Peter Edwards, a Farmer. Sarah's was John Williams. a Miner .
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Thanks again for everyone's help. It's good to be able to reach out for help when I've hit a brick wall.
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James...Going off a slight tangent, would you have any idea if your Edwards are related to an Edward Edwards born c1805 Broughton, a Collier. I suspect he married a Mary Griffiths in 1827.
I know it's a not uncommon name in the area, but you never know.
Many thanks, Eric.
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Eric
So far I've not come across an Edward Edwards born c 1805 Broughton when researching my family. As the previous posts show the father of my Peter Edwards born 1822 Llanarmon Yn Yale, Denbighshire was also called Peter Edwards and was a farmer (as shown on son Peter's marriage record). There is a possible baptism on the 1 June 1822 baptism in Llanarmon by a Peter and Sarah Edwards but this shows his father was a grocer, not farmer. No other suspects though. I have found researching Welsh surnames particularly frustrating but perhaps that's all part of the fun !? If I do come across your chap I'll flag it up on this post.
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Many thanks for getting back. It was just a long shot as I'm also finding them rather frustrating and hitting brick wall after brick wall. The ones I'm looking at seemed to work underground while yours seemed to be overground.
Regards, Eric.
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Is this the 1886 marriage.
Just been looking at this as it's in my area
1886. .Gwersyllt.
Ist November
Edward Edwards 24 bachelor Railway servant .Chester, father Peter Edwards tailor
Annie Barratt 23 spinster . Gwersyllt father William Barratt farmer.