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Title: Seeking birthplace and family of William Couche/Ellen Crone m 1837 Cork City
Post by: genie65 on Friday 11 March 22 05:34 GMT (UK)
Seeing help in finding the parents and birth location of my ggrandfather William Couche and wife Ellen Crone, who were married in St Finbar's (South) Cork City in 1837, Ireland.

Their son Richard Couche married Margaret Crone 1844-1906 Baldwin St Brigown, Mitchelstown Cork and had about 13 children he was a loan officer. Margarets parents Honora Roache abt 1813 -post 1871 Melbourne Australia and Thomas Crone 1811-1871 of same address. I am also interested in finding Honora Roaches parents both of this couple  both  noted on the Peerage pages as is Thomas father. Their children were Elizabeth 1834, Ann 1838, Richard 1841 m Kate Callaghan, Thomas abt 1842 and Margaret Crone 1844 and one I could not find

William Couche Jnr 1845-1913 their second son, married Mary Ann Mc Carthy 1845-1914 were my  great grand parents. He became Super Intendant of Police, dying in East Ballarat Victoria. I suspect Ellen Crone abt 1812 may have been related to Honora Roache Crone but cant yet prove this as yet as both sons children  have similar middle names.

I did find a William and Ellen Couche born about 1782 from Gosport Hampshire with son William born there in 1813, but I cant progress any further

I have hit a bit of a brick wall and would appreciate your assistance in finding my relatives. many thanks in advance, Jen Solity
Title: Re: Seeking birthplace and family of William Couche/Ellen Crone m 1837 Cork City
Post by: chinapaddy on Wednesday 01 June 22 01:52 BST (UK)
Richard and Margaret on 1901 Irish Census:  http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003989458/  (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003989458/)

Richard Couche died 18 Feb 1902  https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1902/05701/4607653.pdf  (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1902/05701/4607653.pdf)

Jeffrey Crone Couche on 1911 Irish Census  http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001929587/  (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001929587/)
Title: Re: Seeking birthplace and family of William Couche/Ellen Crone m 1837 Cork City
Post by: chinapaddy on Wednesday 01 June 22 05:00 BST (UK)
Another family with likely connections are McFarlands. On 1901 Irish Census the wife is Aphra Crone McFarland. A daughter born 1901 Ethel Couche McFarland and a 'visitor' Richard Couche http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003829461/
Title: Re: Seeking birthplace and family of William Couche/Ellen Crone m 1837 Cork City
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Wednesday 01 June 22 09:46 BST (UK)
Interesting that several of the Couche boys were in the photographic business as photographer, photographer's assistant and photographic artist.

Richard George Couche (photographer) - his marriage to Sarah Georgina Clarke on 8th January 1908 at Killaloe cathedral. He was working at Davis Street, Tipperary and his father described as an auctioneer.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1908/10047/5654674.pdf

In 1911 census at David Street (mistranscribed). Note the presence of Victor William Couche and Agness Maud Thomas.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Tipperary_E__Urban/David_Street__Pt__of___formerly_Meeting_House_Lane__/832923/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003349744/

Five children born up to 1921.
Dorothy Jane 1908, Alice Margaret 1911, Josephine Winifred 1914, Aphra Valentina 1915 and Noel 1921.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01rkz/


Title: Re: Seeking birthplace and family of William Couche/Ellen Crone m 1837 Cork City
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Wednesday 01 June 22 09:57 BST (UK)

In 1911 census at David Street (mistranscribed). Note the presence of Victor William Couche and Agness Maud Thomas.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Tipperary_E__Urban/David_Street__Pt__of___formerly_Meeting_House_Lane__/832923/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003349744/


Victor William Couche (also a photographer) - marriage to Agnes Maud Thomas on 18th April 1911 at Trinity Parish Church, Limerick. His brother Richard was a witness. Father Richard again described as an auctioneer.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1911/09952/5618567.pdf


Title: Re: Seeking birthplace and family of William Couche/Ellen Crone m 1837 Cork City
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Wednesday 01 June 22 11:22 BST (UK)
Another family with likely connections are McFarlands. On 1901 Irish Census the wife is Aphra Crone McFarland. A daughter born 1901 Ethel Couche McFarland and a 'visitor' Richard Couche http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003829461/

Richard Couche was Aphra's brother (and a photographer).

Here's Alpha Crone Couche's marriage 1892 to Samuel McFarland, a sergeant in the R.I.C. Her father now a financier.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1892/10645/5878639.pdf

1911 census
House 19 in Mountrath (a) (Mountrath, Queen's Co.).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Queen_s_Co_/Mountrath/Mountrath__a_/794862/

Death via GRONI Online https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
Aphra McFarland   2nd June 1926      52       Female       Belfast

Belfast Telegraph 03 June 1926 – Death Notice

MacFARLAND – June 2, 1926 at her residence, 22 Hatton Drive, Belfast, Aphra Crone, dearly-loved wife of Samuel MacFarland. Funeral to Knockbreda Churchyard, Belfast, leaving her late residence at 2p.m. on to-morrow 4th inst. No flowers, by request.
Deeply regretted by her sorrowing Husband and Children.



Title: Re: Seeking birthplace and family of William Couche/Ellen Crone m 1837 Cork City
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Wednesday 01 June 22 13:53 BST (UK)
From reply #5 and the 1911 census, Caroline Anne McFarland was 15 yrs.

She married (age 20) to Thomas Bates on 26th July 1916 - Mountmellick S.R.D. Ethel Couche McFarland was her sister's witness.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1916/09788/5553381.pdf



Title: Re: Seeking birthplace and family of William Couche/Ellen Crone m 1837 Cork City
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Wednesday 01 June 22 20:08 BST (UK)


She married (age 20) to Thomas Bates on 26th July 1916 - Mountmellick S.R.D. Ethel Couche McFarland was her sister's witness.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1916/09788/5553381.pdf


Two children born to this couple up to 1921.

Thomas John Neville Bates born 23rd January 1918.    MMN McFarland (under the splodge)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1918/01287/1533475.pdf

Ethel Daffodil Bates born 29th April 1919.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1919/01247/1518346.pdf


Title: Re: Seeking birthplace and family of William Couche/Ellen Crone m 1837 Cork City
Post by: genie65 on Thursday 02 June 22 04:42 BST (UK)
Thankyou so much for all the detailed information on Richard Couches children are you related? I can offer my side of the family who I have researched in some detail, if you are interested. It is wonderful to be connected Jeanne
 
Title: Re: Seeking birthplace and family of William Couche/Ellen Crone m 1837 Cork City
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Thursday 02 June 22 07:11 BST (UK)
Thankyou so much for all the detailed information on Richard Couches children are you related?

Nope......just a RootsChatter helping you by providing data and links to the extended family.

KG

Title: Re: Seeking birthplace and family of William Couche/Ellen Crone m 1837 Cork City
Post by: genie65 on Tuesday 14 June 22 00:41 BST (UK)
Your help is much appreciated I will add them to my family tree. I believe Richard and Margaret Crone his wife should be added to the Peerage Pages given their grandparents who are on it namely Honora Roache c1810-post 1871 and Thomas Crone 1811-1871 Unfortunately there has been a mistake on these pages in attributing Thomas Crone birth to Clutterbuck Crone his brother on these pages I expect  Richard Couche's family should also be added to these pages Does anyone know how I might be able to do this a sthe person to email does not answer my emails

Jeanne S