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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: Black Sheep on Thursday 03 March 22 21:29 GMT (UK)
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I am researching John Wagstaffe / Wagstaff who married Mary Corbishley on the 15th November 1835 Prestbury in Cheshire, both are widows and John is listed as a surgeon.
Mary dies in 1837 and John around the same time
Two Children
Henry Stubbs Wagstaffe b 1837 Sutton Macclesfield
John Stubbs Wagstaffe
1851 Census Henry is living as a servant at Mathew Stubbs Finney's Farm Gawsworth.
Questions..
If Mary was a widow how would I find her previous husband and family ?
Why are both boys baptized with "stubbs" as a middle name, interestingly Henry was a servant after his parents death but if he as a kind uncle he would not be listed as a servant ??
I can not find brother after parents death?
Any thoughts on how to progress would be really helpfull.
BS
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In 1841 Henry Wagstaff is also with Matthew & Martha Stubbs
Are you sure John survived infancy?
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Think the Stubbs connection goes a little further back.
First name(s) Henshaw Stubbs
Country England
Last name Corbishley
Father's first name(s) William
Gender Male
Father's last name Corbishley
Birth year 1829
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Baptism year 1829
Record set Cheshire Diocese Of Chester Parish Baptisms 1538-1911
Baptism date 31 May 1829
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Place Macclesfield
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
County Cheshire
Collections from England, Great Britain
Death
First name(s) Henshall Stubbs
County Cheshire
Last name Corbishley
Country England
Gender Male
Reference item 1 p 8
Age 6
Record group 08-0352 p2
Birth year 1829
Record set Cheshire Diocese Of Chester Parish Burials 1538-1911
Death year -
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Burial year 1835
Subcategory Parish Burials
Burial date 16 Sep 1835
Collections from England, Great Britain
Parish Christ Church
Marriage of William
First name(s) William
Bride's birth place -
Last name Corbishley
Bride's residence Prestbury
Birth year -
Groom's residence Prestbury
Marriage date 13 Jan 1811
City or town Prestbury
Marriage year 1811
County Cheshire
Church -
Country England
Place Prestbury
Records set Cheshire Diocese Of Chester Bishop's Transcripts Marriages 1576-1906
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Spouse's last name Stubbs
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Bride's age -
Collections from England, Great Britain
John
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The answer to your question 'why do both the Wagstaff boys have Stubbs as their middle names?' is because it was their mother's maiden name.
I've also found that marriage for Mary Stubbs to William Corbishley 13.1.1811 at Prestbury.
It's on familysearch - you can search on there for a marriage with the name of a spouse, which you can also do on findmypast if you go to 'advanced options'. You can see the actual images on familysearch and findmypast.
He was a dyer in Macclesfield. There are no ages given in the register, but she is given as a spinster.
You need to look for the burial of William between 1811 and 1834, and any children born to him and Mary between those dates.
Surprisingly, there are many burials for William 'Corbishley' between those dates. It looks like several of them were children. I've looked at some of them, but this needs more in depth research.
Beware there is one burial in 1830 in Macclesfield which looks promising as on the transcription it says aged '56', which when you look at the register actually says 'inft' - infant. (!)
As to being given as 'servant' in the Census, remember nothing you read in a record, especially a census, is set in stone. Ages can be wildly out, places of birth miles away. names changed for whatever reason.
I have an ancestor who is also given as a 'servant' to the head of the household, when I know for a fact he was his grandson.
So always take any information with a good punch of salt. :)
I suspect if you dig deeper into Mary Stubbs, you will probably find the Matthew Stubbs they were living with in 1851 was her brother, or other member of her family.
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In 1841 Henry Wagstaff is also with Matthew & Martha Stubbs
Are you sure John survived infancy?
Possible deaths of father & son
WAGSTAFF, JOHN aged40
GRO Reference: 1839 S Quarter in MACCLESFIELD UNION Volume 19 Page 91
WAGSTAFF, JOHN aged 0
GRO Reference: 1838 M Quarter in MACCLESFIELD UNION Volume 19 Page 95
John
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Black Sheep, I see you have been online this morning--any comments on the posts??
I will post further thoughts but will not proceed any further until you respond.
Believe this is the death of Mary Wagstaff.
WAGSTAFF, MARY 46 (No reg district given)
GRO Reference: 1837 S Quarter in Volume 19 Page 89
Freebmd give the district as Macclesfield.
If she was approx aged 46 at death a good contender for her baptism is of a Mary Stubbs 3.7.1792 parents Henshaw Stubbs & Sarah. This would fit nicely with the birth of the Henshaw Stubbs Corbishley bap 1827 probably named after his grandfather.
Henshaw & Sarah had a son Mathew Stubbs baptised 11.9.1785 Gawsworth. This ties in with the 1851 census where Henry Wagstaffe is in the houseold of Mathew Stubbs born Gawsworth c1786. So Mary and Mathew were siblings.
Working on the premise that Mary Stubbs was born c1791, her husband William may have been born around that time as well. There is a burial 15th February 1835 of a William Corbishley aged 48 in Macclesfield.
John
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In 1841 Henry Wagstaff is also with Matthew & Martha Stubbs
Are you sure John survived infancy?
Hi Carole,
All I could find for John was a baptism, nothing further.
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Black Sheep, I see you have been online this morning--any comments on the posts??
Hi John I was at work this morning I looked to see if I had any replies, I was in no position to reply until I was able to check my notes from the computer.
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Goldie61,
Thank you for pointing this out to me...
The answer to your question 'why do both the Wagstaff boys have Stubbs as their middle names?' is because it was their mother's maiden name.
and thanks for getting me back on track, I could not work out how to get back to and before Mr Corbishley.
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If she was approx aged 46 at death a good contender for her baptism is of a Mary Stubbs 3.7.1792 parents Henshaw Stubbs & Sarah. This would fit nicely with the birth of the Henshaw Stubbs Corbishley bap 1827 probably named after his grandfather.
Henshaw & Sarah had a son Mathew Stubbs baptised 11.9.1785 Gawsworth. This ties in with the 1851 census where Henry Wagstaffe is in the houseold of Mathew Stubbs born Gawsworth c1786. So Mary and Mathew were siblings.
Working on the premise that Mary Stubbs was born c1791, her husband William may have been born around that time as well. There is a burial 15th February 1835 of a William Corbishley aged 48 in Macclesfield.
Now I see John, so it looks like they were siblings!!!
Thank you so much for picking apart my puzzle and helping me to get back on track.
BS