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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: Brickwall Demolisher on Wednesday 02 March 22 14:18 GMT (UK)
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Hi, Thank you for looking at my posting, not sure if anyone can help,
I have been trying to find a Marriage Certificate for the above.
FLORENCE who was born London, England Sept 1889. Came to America 1897.
On the 1910 Census - aged 11 with brother's EDWARD H(ENRY),and CHARLES.- Mother HARRIET and Father ALFRED SAD(D)LER.
My past research had not shown/found anything at all on FLORENCE.- 2 Children are born to FLORENCE, one in 1915 EUGENE RUSSELL BAKER, and one in 1917 ARTHUR LEE BAKER, in Iona, Pend Orielle County, Washington. Again not found or sure if there ever was a Marriage between FLORENCE SA(D)DLER & ROBERT LEE BAKER - Past research by me from here in England has always produced nothing.
The Family all but ARTHUR LEE BAKER are also buried at Iona, Pend Orielle County. Wash.
The Find a Grave site has been very helpful to me with my research and its how I came across FLORENCE SADDLER BAKER only recently after searching for a few years with no results until now.
I'm also assuming that because of her age of being only 16 / 17 when she gave birth to EUGENE RUSSELL they held back on Marrying and never got to doing so.
Thanking you in advance if you are able to help. Best Regards JUST J
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Not found the Saddler/Baker marriage as yet but have found her second marriage in 1948 in West Virginia:
Name: Florence Baker
[Florence Saddler]
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1889
Age: 59
Spouse's Name: Ranson Bird Boggs
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Age: 68
Marriage Date: 30 Oct 1948
Marriage Place: Harrison, West Virginia
Father's Name: Alfred Saddler
Mother's Name: Charlotte Nuzum Saddler
Spouse Father's Name: Dave Boggs
Spouse Mother's Name: Margaret McKenzie Boggs
Ray
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Spokane Chronicle Spokane, Washington (Florence Boggs)
27 Sep 1975, Sat Page 5
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/96768471/obituary-for-florence-boggs-aged-86/
Sandra
Added find a grave entry
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/36794988/florence-boggs
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Eugene Russell Baker - 1917 - 2002 (with obit)
FIND A GRAVE
Riverside Cemetery Ione, Pend Oreille County, Washington.
PLOT B16 L15 S1/4
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/125276497/eugene-russell-baker
Sandra
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Just J, I think the Florence is on the 1900 census with parents and siblings (in Boulder Kootenai Idaho). On the 1910 census she is shown married and living with husband Robert in Washington.
Name: Florence Baker
Age in 1910: 21
Birth Date: 1889
[1889]
Birthplace: England
Home in 1910: Ione, Stevens, Washington, USA
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1900
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Robert Baker
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Native Tongue: English
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Years Married: 5
Number of Children Born: 0
Number of Children Living: 0
Household Members Age Relationship
Robert Baker 29 Head
Florence Baker 21 Wife
Not found the 1920/30/40 census as yet.
Interesting though is that I found the 1940 census for son Eugene and he is living with a Ranson B Boggs who Florence later marries:
DetailSource
Name: Eugene R BakerAge: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1917
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Washington
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Winter Employers For Board And Room (Boarder)
Home in 1940: Lost Creek, Pend Oreille, Washington
Map of Home in 1940: Lost Creek, Pend Oreille, Washington
Street: Numbers 38 To 71 On East Side Road Along Pend Oreille River
Inferred Residence in 1935: Rural, Pend Oreille, Washington
Residence in 1935: Rural, Pend Oreille, Washington
Resident on farm in 1935: Yes
Sheet Number: 1B
Occupation: Cever Man
Industry: Road Construction
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: High School, 4th year
Hours Worked Week Prior to Census: 0
Duration of Unemployment: 28
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker in private work
Weeks Worked in 1939: 15
Income: 600
Income Other Sources: Yes
Household Members Age Relationship
Ransom B Boggs 59 Head
Eugene R Baker 23 Winter Employers For Board And Room (Boarder)
Alice I Baker 22 Winter Employers For Board And Room (Boarder)
Ray
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Spokane Chronicle Spokane, Washington
27 Mar 1945, Tue Page 15
Robert Lee Baker - https://www.newspapers.com/clip/96768794/obituary-for-robert-lee-baker-aged-64/
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N3TR-6B1
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HVZD-VB6Z
Sandra
pedigree resource file - https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/G8LG-JPH
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Findagrave for Florence Saddler/Baker/Boggs:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/36794988/florence-boggs
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California Death - Arthur Lee Baker
Birth Date 19 May 1915 Washington
Death Date 4 Jul 1996 Death Place San Diego
Mother's Maiden Name Saddler
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE
COL Arthur Lee Baker 1915 - 1996
Arlington National Cemetery Arlington, Arlington County, Virginia
PLOT Sec: 2, Site: 3393 - 4
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/34457133/arthur-lee-baker
Sandra
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U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index
Arthur Lee Baker - Arthur L Baker
Birth Date 19 May 1915 Newport, Washington
Death Date 4 Jul 1996
Father Robert L Baker
Mother Florence Saddler.
Sandra
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Believe this is the 1940 census:
DetailSource
Name: Florence Baker
Respondent: Yes
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birthplace: England
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Home in 1940: Lost Creek, Pend Oreille, Washington
Map of Home in 1940: Lost Creek, Pend Oreille, Washington
Street: No 1 To 38 In Village of Lost Creek On Pend Oreille Highway
Inferred Residence in 1935: Lost Creek, Pend Oreille, Washington
Residence in 1935: Lost Creek
Resident on farm in 1935: Yes
Citizenship: Naturalized
Sheet Number: 1A
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 8th grade
Weeks Worked in 1939: 0
Income: 0
Income Other Sources: Yes
Household Members Age Relationship
Robert L Baker 58 Head
Florence Baker 51 Wife
Charles E Callahan 26 Boarder
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I'm also assuming that because of her age of being only 16 / 17 when she gave birth to EUGENE RUSSELL they held back on Marrying and never got to doing so.
Thanking you in advance if you are able to help. Best Regards JUST J
Florence was born 1889 so would have been 26 when Eugene was born.
Think you have most of the census but not sure if you started with this 1900 in Idaho-
1900 census Boulder, Kootenai, Idaho
Alfred Saddler 44 Head
Harriet Saddler 34 Wife
Florence Saddler 11 Daughter
Edward H Saddler 9 Son
Charles Saddler 4 Son
Fredereck R Saddler 11/12 months Son
Florence was not with the family in 1910 Newport, Stevens, Washington.
Alfred Saddler 54 Head
Harriett Saddler 41 Wife
Edward H Saddler 19 Son
Charles Saddler 13 Son
Fredrick R Saddler 10 Son
Albert J Saddler 7 Son
Edith Saddler 6 Daughter. born in Washington.
Ernist W Saddler 4 Son
Walter Saddler 2 So
Sandra
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Obit for brother William Earl Saddler - (no mention of Florence) ?
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/96771816/william-earl-saddler-12-january-1933/
Sandra
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Obit for mother Harriet (no mention of Florence ?)
Oakland Tribune Oakland, California
28 Jul 1933, Fri Page 35
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/96771984/obituary-for-harriet-j-saddler/
Sandra
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Found the 1930 census - surname given as BAHN??
DetailSource
Name: Florence Bahn
Birth Year: abt 1888
Gender: Female
Race: White
Age in 1930: 42
Birthplace: England
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Homemaker?: Yes
Home in 1930: Lost Creek, Pend Oreille, Washington, USA
Map of Home: Lost Creek, Pend Oreille, Washington
House Number: apr 16
Dwelling Number: 18
Family Number: 18
Lives on Farm: No
Age at First Marriage: 20
Attended School: No
Able to Read and Write: Yes
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Language Spoken: English
Immigration Year: 1899
Naturalization: Naturalized
Able to Speak English: Yes
Household Members Age Relationship
Robert Bahn 47 Head
Florence Bahn 42 Wife
Arthur Bahn 14 Son
Eugene Bahn 13 Son
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Found the 1920 census name given as BARKER;
DetailSource
Name: Florence Barker
Age: 30
Birth Year: abt 1890
Birthplace: England
Home in 1920: Lost Creek, Pend Oreille, Washington
Residence Date: 1920
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1899
[1897]
Relation to Head of House: Housekeeper
Marital Status: Married
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Native Tongue: English
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Home Keeper
Industry: General Farm
Employment Field: Wage or Salary
Naturalization Status: Naturalized
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Household Members Age Relationship
Ransom Boggs 39 Head
Robert Barker 39 Hired Man
Florence Barker 31 Housekeeper
Arthur Barker 4 Son
Eugene Barker 2 Son
Florence's future husband was the head of the house
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1910 Lone, Stevens, Washington.
Robert Baker 29 Head
Florence Baker 21 Wife. Married 5 years.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MGV4-XS5
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9YYB-ZWH?i=16&cc=1727033&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AMGV4-XS5
Sandra
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Arthur Lee Baker
San Diego Union-Tribune
Tuesday, July 9, 1996
Obit: https://www.rootschat.com/links/01rc3/
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Sad one :'(
Sister Edith A Steves - Spokane Chronicle Spokane, Washington
21 Mar 1972, Tue Page 6
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/96778066/edith-steves-21-march-1972/
The News Tribune Tacoma, Washington
21 Mar 1972, Tue Page 3
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/96778728/edith-a-steves-21-march-1972/
Spokane Chronicle Spokane, Washington
24 Mar 1972, Fri Page 4
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/96779100/obituary-for-howard-r-steves/
Sandra
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Howard - husband of Edith :'(
The Spokesman-Review Spokane, Washington
23 Mar 1972, Thu Page 3
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/96778456/howard-r-steves-23-march-1972/
Sandra
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Walter Sadler 907 - 1944 obit on FIND A GRAVE
The Oregonian, 30 Dec 1944, p11
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/135038394/walter-saddler
son Donald Wayne Saddler born 1934 passed in 2000
Sandra
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Many, Many Thanks
For everyone's help with my posting and with the results that you have provided me with. My wondering of Florence's life from the 1910 Census you all have helped to answer for me. The not finding of a Marriage Certificate for herself and Robert Lee Baker - I assuming that a Marriage never ever did happen?. Florence unknowing to herself, was repeating of what her Grandfather did by not Marrying her true Grandmother in the 1850's?.
Florence was born 1889 Southwark, - Father Alfred Wentzell b1856 - English Mother - Charlotte (Wannell) Wentzell b1861 who Married Alfred in 1879.
Alfred took his Mother's maiden name of SAD(D)LER when he came /went to America in 1896 - Newsom/Nuzum was his partners surname who brought Florence and two Brothers? to America in 1897. - Alfred/Charlotte eldest English son Henry / Harry b1882, my Grandfather, was born Southwark. - I don't have any info if ever Sister/ Brother ever met again after they parted in 1897?
Col. Arthur Lee Baker b 1917- It's Interesting to see that he served some years of his American Navy Career in the Pacific of the 1940's. - The American born Grandson of Alfred Wentzell / Charlotte ( Wannell ) Wentzell
Alfred / Charlotte English Son HENRY b1882 served in the Battle of the Somme, Theatre of War 1914 / 1918. -
It was the finding of Florence's future that you have helped me with, again many thanks to all, Best Regards,JUST J
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Edith Agnes and Howard Rutledge Steves were my grandparents. I can confirm the veracity of these newsclips, if that means anything to anyone. I was 13 when he killed her; I was living with my parents (Harold C Steves and Voyla Steves) in Anchorage, AK. After the murder, Howard R. Steves was found guilty and confined at Eastern State Hospital, WA for a few yearsand treated with lithium until his sanity returned, then released. He visited our family in Alaska, and lived with his sister Pat in WA until he died, around 1977-8. I sang at his funeral.
Genivamuse
Sad one :'(
Sister Edith A Steves - Spokane Chronicle Spokane, Washington
21 Mar 1972, Tue Page 6
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/96778066/edith-steves-21-march-1972/
The News Tribune Tacoma, Washington
21 Mar 1972, Tue Page 3
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/96778728/edith-a-steves-21-march-1972/
Spokane Chronicle Spokane, Washington
24 Mar 1972, Fri Page 4
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/96779100/obituary-for-howard-r-steves/
Sandra