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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: kazdez on Wednesday 02 March 22 03:08 GMT (UK)
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Hello, I am trying to find out if my GG Grandfather on the 1861 Census, named a place in Lanarkshire.
His name was John McAloon - in the 1851 census he is listed at Middle Ward and Airdrie, but birthplace is just "Ireland".
In the 1871 census, he is listed in Old Monkland Middle District.
His wife was Isabella - his children in 1851 Census were John James and Anne.
In 1871, his wife was deceased and his children listed as Partick, Thomas and Margaret
Has the 1861 Census been destroyed that I cannot find any reference to my family.
Any guidance will be gratefully accepted.
Regards Karen (Australia)
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I wonder if you might be looking at two different families.
Can you give more information, please?
What was the name of John’s wife, and mother of your ancestor. Is it Isabella Martin?
What is the name of your ancestor - the child of John?
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No it is the same family.
The children listed in the 1851 census appear to be his first born children.
The children in the 1871 census are his last-born children.
It would appear that wife Isabella died sometime after Thomas was born in 1858.
I cannot see John and family in the 1861 census in Scotland. It is possible they were elsewhere - perhaps visiting in Ireland.
In 1881 John is with son Patrick lodging with the McIntyre family in Summerlee, Old Monkland.
A possible death record (even though age is not quite correct)
MCALOON, JOHN
age 54, mothers name - MONAGHAN
1886
652/2 4
Old Monkland (Middle District)
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I think this will be the death for Isabella (Martin) McAloon
MCALOON, ISABELLA
1865 Old Monkland (Middle District)
652/2 334
no age given; no mothers name given
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Wife Isabella Martin b.1816 Ireland and John McAloon b.1816 Ireland. They Married aout 1842 in Ireland. First two children John and Bernard, born in Ireland. My GGrandfather John born Coatbridge 1846, followed by Ann, Margaret, Patrick and Thomas.
Isabella died 1865, Old Monkland (found on Scotlands People)
John died approx 1883, also in Coatbridge area.
What I am trying to confirm is if the 1861 Census, named a place in Ireland.
I am grateful for the information about Isabella
The entry for John, lodging with Partick in 1861, does it say how old Patrick is, so that I can confirm that one.
Thank you so much
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If you can find them in the Scottish 1861 census, it should, unlike the others, tell you at least a county of birth in Ireland. The other possibility is that if they had a child born in Scotland in 1855, that year (and only that year) gives the ages of the parents and their parish(es) of birth on the birth certificate.
If you know they had any brothers or sisters in Scotland, you could also try to find the same for them, which would give you an indication of where the family had been based in Ireland.
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Hi Karen,
I had a quick look at this with maybe partial success, I might have found the family but not the county in Ireland. My thinking was if the family was in Old Monkland in 1851 and 1871 then there was a good chance of a difference in surname transcribing or indexing in 1861.
So searching on SP for surnames beginning with M you could maybe have a look for this census entry and see what you think? Looks like somebody was having an off day.
652/2 4/ 20
RD Old Monkland (Middle District)
Bank Street Ingles Land
John MONDAY 41 Furnace Filler
Bell 40
John 18
James 14
Ann 11
Marget 8
Patrick 5
Thomas 3
There are also few viewable trees on Ancestry for the family if you have a sub to that? All seem to give Donegal as John's county of birth but I don't know what record that info has come from.
Hope this helps a bit
Duncan
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They are also indexed as Monday on FindMyPast, and John's birthplace is just listed as Ireland. But FindMyPast are not good at transcribing places in their census index, so it is possible that the original says which county in Ireland.
You really need to view the original on Scotland's People as DuncanM suggests.
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If you can find them in the Scottish 1861 census, it should, unlike the others, tell you at least a county of birth in Ireland. The other possibility is that if they had a child born in Scotland in 1855, that year (and only that year) gives the ages of the parents and their parish(es) of birth on the birth certificate.
If you know they had any brothers or sisters in Scotland, you could also try to find the same for them, which would give you an indication of where the family had been based in Ireland.
You might be in luck if brother Patrick matches this SP entry for 1855.
652/2 655
Old Monkland (Middle District)
Patrick MCILOON
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John died approx 1883, also in Coatbridge area.
This John who died 1883 is a baby - born 1882.
Perhaps check out the 1886 death. It will contain information about his parents.
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You are in luck.
The index at FamilySearch confirms that Patrick McIloon, born 9 November 1855 in Old Monkland, was the son of John McIloon and Isabella Martin.
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Hi Karen
I think checking the death entry for John McAloon in 1886 is a good next step. Hoping it shows his parents as John McAloon and Margaret Monaghan..... ::)
The 1855 birth of Patrick should give you the birth place for both John and wife Isabella. 1855 is a magic year for BMDs in Scotland. It was the first year of official registration in Scotland and lots of extra info was included for that year only.
The birth reg should also include the date and place of parents' marriage and how many children had been born following the marriage (alive/deceased, boys/girls).
Monica
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I think John Snr had a sister living nearby in Scotland, Ann McAloon wife of a Michael
Trower.
This is Ann and her family in 1851 www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a15008ef4040b9d6e0a6cc1/anne-trower-1851-lanarkshire-old-monkland-1816-?locale=en
Michael and Ann also had an 1855 baby which will let you confirm details the same way as John and Isabella:
John Trower born on 5 April 1855 Old Monkland,Lanark,Scotland
In later years, enquiries relating to their daughter Unity Trower in respect of confirmation of abode in Ireland years earlier included the details below:
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Ann McAloon/Trower died in Old Monkland at the age of 52 in 1871. Parents John McAloon and Margaret Monaghan.
Monica
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Hi Karen,
I had a quick look at this with maybe partial success, I might have found the family but not the county in Ireland. My thinking was if the family was in Old Monkland in 1851 and 1871 then there was a good chance of a difference in surname transcribing or indexing in 1861.
So searching on SP for surnames beginning with M you could maybe have a look for this census entry and see what you think? Looks like somebody was having an off day.
652/2 4/ 20
RD Old Monkland (Middle District)
Bank Street Ingles Land
John MONDAY 41 Furnace Filler
Bell 40
John 18
James 14
Ann 11
Marget 8
Patrick 5
Thomas 3
There are also few viewable trees on Ancestry for the family if you have a sub to that? All seem to give Donegal as John's county of birth but I don't know what record that info has come from.
Hope this helps a bit
Duncan
Duncan Thank you, This looks very similar to my family. And I am aware of mis-spelling and transcriptions of names, I would love to see the original record, to see if the name was indeed misspelled.
As for the Donegal, the McAloon name appears in Donegal as McLoone and in the records that were available in 1856-1866 or there abouts there were only about 54 families with the name of McLoone. There are also McAloon names in Fermanagh, just across the border, but as of yet not touched on them, as I was hoping to find at least a county in Ireland, to start with.
Thank you I will keep looking.
Regards Karen
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If you can find them in the Scottish 1861 census, it should, unlike the others, tell you at least a county of birth in Ireland. The other possibility is that if they had a child born in Scotland in 1855, that year (and only that year) gives the ages of the parents and their parish(es) of birth on the birth certificate.
If you know they had any brothers or sisters in Scotland, you could also try to find the same for them, which would give you an indication of where the family had been based in Ireland.
Thank you for that information about birth's in 1855. One of the children, Patrick, I think was born in November of 1855. I will try and chase this up.
Regards Karen
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I think John Snr had a sister living nearby in Scotland, Ann McAloon wife of a Michael
Trower.
This is Ann and her family in 1851 www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a15008ef4040b9d6e0a6cc1/anne-trower-1851-lanarkshire-old-monkland-1816-?locale=en
Michael and Ann also had an 1855 baby which will let you confirm details the same way as John and Isabella:
John Trower born on 5 April 1855 Old Monkland,Lanark,Scotland
In later years, enquiries relating to their daughter Unity Trower in respect of confirmation of abode in Ireland years earlier included the details below:
Thank you Monica, I did not know about a possible sister, so this will also be a check up for me. It's funny that Ann and Michael had a daughter called Unity, because my Nana was Unity McAloon, daughter of James McAloon and Catherine McMorrow - so a connect could be found.
Thank you I will keep trying.
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I would love to see the original record
Go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, register (if you have not already done so) and invest in a few credits. Use some of them to view the original census, and a few more to view that 1855 birth certificate. You'll still have some left for when you want to view another document.
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Regarding McAloon being recorded as Monday in the census, here's a possible explanation. In his book The Surnames of Ireland, Edward MacLysaght writes that this could result from mistranslation of the Irish name:
"Mac Giolla Eoin could become Monday instead of MacAloon from the supposed similarity of the sound
of the latter part of the name to Luain the Irish word for Monday."