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Hi,
I've come across what is almost certainly my 2x great Aunt's cemetery record on Ancestry for her burial in Saskatchewan (she emigrated there in 1922), which I've attached. Because I'm based in the UK can anyone recommend how to get more info on this? It's very stark in terms of info. Susan Amy Knight was born on 06 Oct 1865 in London but emigrated to be with her niece (who she helped raise) who was called Marie Hamilton Campbell (maiden name Marie Hamilton Knight). Susan emigrated when the rest of her family had all died. The info attached is down as part of the cemetery records for Saskatchewan, but with no further info (ideally an official death record)
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It will be easier to search with a bit more information. Am I right in thinking that Marie Hamilton Knight was born in England in 1890 and married George A Campbell there in 1917? These dates came up when I searched on freebmd.org.uk.
My first thoughts were: 1921 Canada census and passenger lists. This might be them in the 1921 census with George's surname spelled 'Kambell'.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C395-G996-R?i=12&cc=3005862&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQP2H-XW6T
Liz
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Hi Liz,
Yes that is correct. I have Susan's emigration record and it mentions she's going out there to live with her niece (in 1922). I was thinking more along the lines of getting a death record for her (I'm guessing the 1931 census isn't available yet?)
Paul
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I don't know when the 1931 census might be available, but the 1921 helps to pinpoint them on a farm in Saskatchewan near Melfort.
The University of Alberta has a searchable collection of local newspapers for the prairie provinces, Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba, in what's called the Peel collection. Just looking at their index of newspapers, it doesn't look like Melfort had a newspaper of its own, but it may have been covered by other nearby places. In small communities, the newspapers gave lots of detail about local people, and there could well be some mention of one of the family, possibly Susan's funeral.
http://peel.library.ualberta.ca/newspapers/
Liz
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Another possibility is a mention in a local history book. That part of the world only became a province in 1905, so there isn't a long written history. If George grew up in that area, his family might be mentioned. There's a website that has a lot of Canadian local history books online, but I'm not sure of the URL now. It used to be called ourroots.ca, but I know that has changed. I'll see if I can track it down.
There was a census for all of Canada in 1911 and another in 1916 just for the prairie provinces, which might help to establish whether George Campbell was a farmer before WW1. The census for 1921 says he was born in Saskatchewan. (I presume he was posted overseas to have married Marie in England in 1917.) After WW1, many soldiers were given farmland, but not all managed to make a go of it. There might be a record of his WW1 service with the Canadian Expeditionary Force. If available, it's likely to be at:
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/Pages/introduction.aspx
If he was not familiar with farming, the family might have moved to a different area. Do you know where in Saskatchewan Susan died?
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The local histories are now hosted by the University of Calgary. From the page link below, you can find a history of Birch Hills, which is mentioned as a location on the census. There is an index at the back of the book, which includes an entry for Peter Campbell, describing his experience as an early settler. I thought this might be the same family, because his wife's name was Emma, same as George's mother, but a probate record shows George's father was also called George. Peter may be no relation.
page.https://digitalcollections.ucalgary.ca/CS.aspx?VP3=DamView&VBID=2R3BXZ8TS3IBL&PN=1&WS=SearchResults&RW=1723&RH=898
The WW1 record for George Archibald Campbell mentions his wife, Maria, of 8 Alpha St, Rye Lane, Peckham, London. His address after demobbing was Winton, Saskatchewan, near the city of Prince Albert. He was described on his attestation paper as a farmer. A search of the Winton cemetery on findagrave shows Susan Amy Knight was buried there. Unfortunately, the photo of the headstone is unreadable and there is no further information about her there.
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There is a FIND A GRAVE entry for Marie Campbell (could this be Marie ?)
1885 - 1965
Mount Pleasant Cemetery Melfort, Melfort Census Division, Saskatchewan, Canada
PLOT B308 G10
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/186793125/marie-campbell
Sandra
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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C395-G996-R?i=12&cc=3005862&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQP2H-XW6T
Liz
The census quoted in reply 1 was the 1926 Census not the 1921 census
Sandra
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Obituary Miss Amy Knight - Star-Phoenix Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
29 Sep 1938, Thu Page 17
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/96760966/obituary-for-amy-knight-aged-71/
Sandra
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Sandra, you are quite right, it was the 1926 census. I was expecting to find the 1921 and didn't notice.
Great find of the obituary. :) Tricky when people go by their middle names.
Liz
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Not long to go............ :)
This 1931 Canadian Census census should become available to the public in 2023, 92 years after the census was collected.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1931_Canadian_census
Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
Thanks for all the info. Yes the census is her and the obituary looks like it is too. The daughter or her niece (Marie Campbell's daughter June Campbell), married someone with the surname Short so I would think that is a link to one of the pallbearers. It seems Susan was known as Amy in her day to day life from other info I've since found.
Paul
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The WW1 record for George Archibald Campbell mentions his wife, Maria, of 8 Alpha St, Rye Lane, Peckham, London. His address after demobbing was Winton, Saskatchewan, near the city of Prince Albert. He was described on his attestation paper as a farmer. A search of the Winton cemetery on findagrave shows Susan Amy Knight was buried there. Unfortunately, the photo of the headstone is unreadable and there is no further information about her there.
That address is where Susan Amy's cousins lived. I've got that info form the 1921 census and Susan Amy gave that as the address for her next of kin (her cousin Robert Chas Knight) when she left to go to Canada. Marie must've lived there as well at some point too then.
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Hi Sandra,
Thanks for all the info. Yes the census is her and the obituary looks like it is too. The daughter or her niece (Marie Campbell's daughter June Campbell), married someone with the surname Short so I would think that is a link to one of the pallbearers. It seems Susan was known as Amy in her day to day life from other info I've since found.
Paul
Leona Alma Campbell married Chester Short in 11951 Winton Saskatchewan.
Chester Short was the son of Byron Elfred Short and Annie Hanson
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE
Leona Alma Campbell/Short - 1931 - 1994
Prince Albert Memorial Gardens Prince Albert, Prince Albert Census Division, Saskatchewan.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/215379604/leona-alma-short
Sandra
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Gareth Short son of Leona and Chester Short
FIND A GRAVE
1954 - 2002
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/157742871/garth-short
Sandra
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The 1926 census shows Byron Short (mis-transcribed) with wife Annie, children James, Chester Verna and Lola.
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=census1926&op=img&id=e011240005
Sandra
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Canada Voters List for 1974 shows. Byron Short (widow), Chester Short (farmer), Mrs Chester Short, Clare Short, Glen Short, and Garth Short ( all farmers) Birch Hills, Prince Albert, Saskatchewan.
Sandra
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November 2nd, 1926 - January 12th, 2021
Obituary for the brother (Glen) of Chester Short provides a lot of family names, including Lily and Chester Short. Also mention of sister in law June
https://mackenziechapel.ca/book-of-memories/4489819/Short-Glen/index.php
Sandra
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Eileen (Frances) Taylor mentioned in the above obit was the wife of Allan Ray Short
Star-Phoenix Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
30 Aug 1961, Wed Page 9
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/96827832/short-taylor-marriage-30-august-1961/
Sandra
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The names are useful in obits to see who was related to who.........
Sister of Chester Short - Verne Short Blanchard. 1918 - 2013
https://panow.com/listing/verna-blanchard/
FIND A GRAVE also had obit info
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/195300739/verna-blanchard
Sandra
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Lyle Short (deceased was the brother married to "J"
Canada Voters List 1962 - Lyle Short (partsman) and Mrs J - Prince Albert. Saskatchewan.
Sandra
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Canada Voters List 1973 - 2421 McDonald Ave. Lyle Short (foreman) and Mrs J
Sandra
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Perhaps this request would have been better on the Canada Board. You could ask a moderator to move it for you.
Still the Campbells to sort out.
Sandra
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Canada Voters List 1963/1965 - 14 th Street West - Lyle R Short (Carpenter) and June M Short
just below them are George A Campbell (caretaker) and Mrs Marie Campbell.
Canada Voters List 1968 - 14 th Street West - Lyle Short (carpenter) Mrs June Short.
George Campbell (retired) and Mrs Maried Campbell.
Sandra
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Canada Voters List - 1972 - 14th Street West - Mrs Marie Campbell - retired.
Wondering if George passed away between 1968 - 1972
Sandra
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Saskatchewan, Canada, Residents Index (SRI), 1800-2012
Name George Archibald Campbell
Death Date 1972
Death Place Prince Albert, Saskatchewan, Canada.
Sandra
South Hill Cem, Prince Albert, Saskatchewan, Canada
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Saskatchewan, Canada, Residents Index (SRI), 1800-2012
Name Marie Campbell
Death Date 1982
Death Place Prince Albert, Saskatchewan, Canada.
Sandra
25 June 1982 - burial 28 June 1982 South Hill Cemetery. Prince Albert. Saskatchewan.
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Lyle Russell Short (husband of "J" nee Campbell) born 20 March 1930 Winton. Saskatchewan. Died 12 September 1997
Burial Memorial Gardens. Prince Albert. Saskatchewan.
Sandra
Lyle and "J" could have had 4 sons ?
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If you use the link :- https://www.canada411.ca/ putting in the name Short - Prince Albert SK- I suspect that the four male names that come up would be the sons of Lyle and "J" -
Sandra
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Saskatchewan, Canada, Cemetery Transcripts, 1850-1994 - Could he be this one ?
Name: George Campbell
Death Date 24 Jul 1972
Burial Year 1972
Burial Place Saskatchewan, Canada
Sandra
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Saskatchewan, Canada, Burial Index, 1802-2011
Name Marie Campbell
Death Year 1982
Burial City Prince Albert, Saskatchewan, Canada.
Sandra
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Noticed you have been online but not sure if you are waiting for more info ?
There is a RAOGK volunteer for Saskatchewan, sometimes has a sub to Saskatchewan Genealogical Society. If there was something we had missed, they might be ab le to help.
https://raogk.org/lookups/region/saskatchewan/
Sandra