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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Merionethshire => Topic started by: BRUCE123 on Tuesday 22 February 22 14:53 GMT (UK)
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Hi :) I have a connection with a family from Corris Talyllyn
Help please with the ancestry of Mary Catherine Evans I think her father was a Hugh Evans and mother Annie (Evans) Evans, both of Corris
Mary Catherine Evans B:10/6/1876 D: Oct 1935 age 19yrs she married a
Edwin Jones B: 3/4/1891, D: 5/11/1949 living at 5 Braichgoil Terrace Corris: they had 5 children. I have doc for all 5 children
I have been told that Edwin or Mary' are connected in some way to Ellis Humphrey Evans B: 1889.
Any help would be appreciated. all the best Bruce
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I think you mean she was 59 when she died - not 19
Where did you get her full birthdate from?
If she was b 1876 - that makes her 15yrs older than Edwin who you say was b 1891 - is that correct?
You need to provide more info & tell us what research you have done yourself so we don’t duplicate
You haven’t given any details of her birthplace nor any details of when or where they married? You say you “think” her father was Hugh - do you have a copy of her marriage cert confirming that?
No names or birthyears given for any of the 5 children you mention.
Have you checked for her birth reg on freebmd then looked on GRO online to get her mothers maiden name so you can find her parents marriage? Freebmd birth 1876 - GRO shows mmn Jones.
With surnames like Evans & Jones you need to be careful ;D
“I have been told that Edwin or Mary”.
No birthplace given for Edwin so what research have you done yourself to establish a connection to Ellis Humphrey Evans. Given his surname - isn’t he more likely to be connected to Edwin - possibly a brother??
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If Mary Catherine married age 19, that would have been 1895 when Edwin was 4. ::)
Possible marriage reg
Edwin Jones dec qtr 1912 Ffestiniog to Mary C Evans.
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Yes I was just puzzling on the dates myself, if she married at 19 that would be 1895 and if her husband was only born 1891 that cannot be!
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Age 19 refers to her age at death in 1935 hence my comment it should be 59 ??? no marriage year given
See my reply above
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possible 1901 census for Edwin in Braichgoch Terrace
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X91S-DJM
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Ellis Humphrey Evans B: 1889.
There is someone of that name born 1887 Merionethshire son of Evan & Mary who died in WW1 - is this the man you are referring to?
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Ellis Humphrey’s mmn was Morris
Bruce
You need to look at these replies & clarify the info you have given. We are looking at very common surnames & christian names here so you need to be sure of the info you are giving
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There is a Dec qtr 1912 marriage in Festiniog which has Mary C Evans & Edwin Jones.
Did you get their respective birthdates from the 1921 census? What birthplace is given for each of them?
Did you check the 1881 census for Mary Catherine Evans? If so - you would know there is no entry with a father Hugh but there is one with a father David. You need the 1912 marriage cert to clarify
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Ellis Humphrey Evans (Hedd Wyn) did have a younger sister Mary, but a plain Mary, no middle name.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4TYW-LZM
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Where did you get a 1935 death from? No Mary C Jones death in Merionethshire in 1935 & no death for a Mary Jones that matches a 1876 birthyear
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Presumably the death for Edwin that you refer to but he is obviously not the one that married in 1912
Death Dec qtr 1949
Jones Edwin age 59 Merioneth S. 8c 22
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Also - if he was b 3.4.1891 & died 1949 as you say - where is he on the 1939 register as there is no Edwin Jones with that birthdate
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Hi CaroleW, Rosie99, osprey, milliepede, Thank you all, I will take all your points and get back to you. Thank you.
Bruce
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There are some trees on Ancestry with slightly different names
Mary Catherline Evans 1876-1935
Edwin Jones 1891 1949
Children:-
Margaret (Maggie) 1913-2007
Eirlys 1914-1976
Richard Edmund 1916-1976
Hedd Win 1923-1992
Sarah Enid 1925-1938
Eurlys Jones mmn Evans Q4 1914 Dolgelly
Hedy W Jones mmn Evans Q3 1923 Dolgelley
Sarah E Jones mmn Evans Q1 1925 Dolgelley
Mother aged 49 when last child born
David
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DCB
See replies 10 & 12. There are a number of details that don't add up here & with names like Jones & Evans it's too easy to go down the wrong path.
Bruce needs to start with the 1912 marriage cert to establish Mary C's fathers name. Was she a spinster or previously married given the 15yr age gap etc etc
No birthplaces given for either
1911 has a widowed Mary Evans aged 34 living in Dolgelly
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Hi All, :) sorry for the delay getting back to you, Thank you for the time you have spent, I hope I have answered you Questions, on this family Mary Catherine Evans
Evan Evans B:3/9/1852 Trawsfynydd Merionethshire wife Mary (Evans) Morris B: 22 Aug 1864 Trawsfynydd
1901cen Evan Evans 47, wife Mary Evans 36,( Ellis H Evans 14,B:1887 D: WW1, I have Army records, ) Davids Evans 12, Robert Llewelyn Evan 2,
Mary Evans 11,Kate Evans 9, Maggie Evans 5,and brother Robert Evans 42,1858. all the children B:Trawsfynydd
1911cen Evan Evans 57yrs job Farmer wife Mary 46yrs mar 23yrs12Ch9L3D
Ellis H 24yrs,1887, Maggie 15yrs 1896, Robert H 12yrs, 1899, Evan M 9yrs, 1902, Ann 7yrs, 1904, Emia 4yrs.1907.
1939cen Evan Evans ret: Farmer wife Mary off Ysgwrn Farm Robert Ll Evans,1896, Evan M Evans, 1901.
Anne Evans 1904 mar: Ivor Williams. No info on this
Evan M Evans D: 1984 83yrs. Robert LL Evans D: 1977 78yrs. from grave stone.
this is all I have on the Evan Evans family todate.
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First the Children of Edwin Jones and Mary Catherin Evans
Maraget Jones 1913 date from birthday book Mar: Edward E Jones B: 01/1/1892 D: 1967 mar: 03/12/1934.BMD:
Eirlys Jones 1914 My mother-in-Law Birth cert: gives F: as Edwin Jones Occ: Slate Miner M: Mary Catherine Jones nee Evans
Richard Edmund Jones 1916 birth cert gives F: and M: the same as above
Hedd Wyn Jones 1923 birth cert gives F: and M: the same as above
Sarah Enid Jones 1925 birth cert gives F: and M: the same as above
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The 1901 gives us Edwin B: in Corris Coch Talyllyn.He is age 10yrs. BMD mar: gives us 1912 .Mary Catherline Evans
1901:
Richard Jones 37 1864 Dylife, Monmouthshire,
Catherine Jones 32 Corris Coch 1869
John D Jones 14 1887 Corris Coch
Catherine Jones 12 1889 Corris
Edwin Jones 10 1891 Corris Coch
Mary Jones 9 1892 Corris
Sarah A Jones 4 1897 Corris
Margaret J Jones 1 1900 Corris
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Mary Catherin Evans, the info on her, is wrong I got mix up with another family member, Sorry. I know she was younger then Edwin and died not long after the last child, the children then had a step-mother called Annie E Evans. I have a photo of her, that's all.
I have a birth cert for a Mary Ellen B: 12/6/1886 Upper Corris. F: Hugh Evans job, Slate Quarrier. M: Annie Evans nee Evans How this fits in I don't know yet.
Thank you for your help. Bruce
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Hi Bruce
I have asked the moderator for advice on whether this post should be locked & you open a new thread with correct information
Your last reply has only added to the confusion and a lot of time & effort has already been wasted because of incorrect info
If the 1912 marriage is the correct one - I would strongly recommend that before posting again you buy a copy of that marriage cert to establish their ages & fathers names. If it is not the right marriage then you need to determine which one is
www.freebmd.org.uk
I also suggest you look at the 1921 census for whichever is the right family & ensure you give correct birthyears
You need to look for Mary's death on freebmd & Edwin's remarriage to "Annie E"
It is impossible to determine who you have the "connection" to so that needs to be made clearer in any future post
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The tree that I referred to is Bruce's and I think the main thing that is incorrect is Mary's birth date and middle name.
There is a Mary Catherine Evans in Ffestiniog of the right age (19), but daughter of John and Mary nee Jones. She is on the 1901-11 censuses.
The marriage in 1912 is the right date, given the dates for the children, and the certificate would clarify matters either way.
David
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Awaiting advice from moderator re locking/new post as per my earlier reply. I think it may be best if no further info is posted until that decision is made
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Sorry, CaroleW, I was typing this up & checking info when you posted.
The eldest son of Edwin & Mary is Richard Edmund, Richard after Edwin's father so I wonder if Mary's father was called Edmund?
possible in 1891 in Trawsfynydd
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4TYR-LN2
1901 Edmund has remarried march qtr 1894 to Mary Owen who was in the household in 1891
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4TYR-LN2
1911 Mary back in the household, Edmund's occupation should be amaethwr - farmer.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7JD-RRC
If this is the correct family, Edmund's first marriage was to Margaret Thomas june qtr 1884. It won't be online as it was in a Baptist Church
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3422127/3422135/78/
Using the free index on the 1921 census, Eirlys Jones b. 1914 is in the same household in Trawsfynydd as an Edmund Evans b. 1852.
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I agree that the OP needs to start with the 1912 marriage and 1921?census to confirm those facts first.
I have traced a friends family story back to Hedd Wyn and their link was through marriage and it was hard ! There are so many incorrect trees for them and so many descendants. It is impossible to work down from the family as there are so many it is much easier to work up the tree.
It can be so easy at times to look at the data and see what you want it to say with such common names rather than do a diligent search confirming as you go on.
Nesta
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Hi nestagj :) Thank you! I await the mar: record from GRO. the 21cen for Edwin 1891 was no help, It only told me that the wife and children were not at home, and Edwin was out of work. all the best bruce
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if you look for the wife and children in 1921, you may find they are with relatives. Try searching on an unusual name, like Eirlys.
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Hi Osprey Thank you Bruce
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Hi all :) I have the said mar: for Edwin Jones and Mary Catherine Evans dated 16/11/1912
Mary's Father " Edmund Evans job Farmer, the wedding register Portmadoc. The address Ffestiniog Trawsfynydd, The address living before Marriage, looks like Muriau Trawsfynydd , this address is the same as Edmund Evans 1850 brother to Evan Evans 1852 father to Ellis Humphrey Evans. It is a safe bet that Mary Evans 1885 is my Mary Catherine of 1884. :)
Can one tell me is "Muriau" Trawsfynydd a street name or a farm name I cant find it!! :)
All the best Bruce.
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Can one tell me is "Muriau" Trawsfynydd a street name or a farm name I cant find it!!
Just to the south
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map?x=269488&y=334286&z=115&sv=269488,334286&st=4&ar=y&mapp=map&searchp=ids&dn=821&ax=269488&ay=334286&lm=0
PS - they look like farms to me - a higher one (no uchaf though) and a lower one (isaf)
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Glad that worked out. Just noticed I gave you the 1891 census twice and not the 1901. here is the correct one
1901
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X913-KKB
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hi Gadget :) thank you bruce