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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Argyllshire => Topic started by: kjmck on Sunday 20 February 22 14:37 GMT (UK)
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Hi folks,
Looking for help finding out if Archibald McMillan is the same man, or two different men.
Mary McMillan, Single, 77yo, died 19th Dec 1856 at Tayinloan in Killean. Daughter of Hugh McMillan (Ag. Lab) & Betsey McMillan. Registered by Archibald McMillan, brother, Beachmenach, not present.
My 5xGG was Hugh McMillan, married Mary McMillan 3rd Apr 1799 at Killean Parish. Hugh a resident of Culfuar & Mary of Ruada. They had a son called Archibald in April 1801, died 28th Aug 1858 at Beachmunach. So I am wondering if Hugh is either a brother for Mary who died in 1856 or a father to Mary who died in 1856.
So I am wondering if Archibald (brother of Mary) & Archibald (Son of Hugh & Mary) are uncle and nephew or if they are the same man, meaning that Hugh McMillan married twice, first to Betsey & then to Mary. I can't find another Archibald McMillan in the census living in Beachme/unach apart from the man who died in 1858.
Any suggestions would be welcome!
Thanks, Keelan.
NB - Hugh McMillan & Betsey (Elizabeth McMillan) had several children, their youngest being Florence McMillan 1796 (married McLachlan) who died in 1877, and I share a DNA match with a descendant of hers.
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Who registered Archibald's death?
Have you looked at the 1851 census to see how many Archibald McMillans of the right age there are in Killean? And 1861 to see how many are still there?
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Hi Keelan
There is only one Archibald showing on the 1855 Valuation Rolls in the area:
ARCHIBALD MACMILLAN
Tenant Occupier
TAYCHROMAN
KILLEAN AND KILKENZIE
1855
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Monica
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So happens there are two deaths in 1858:
Aged 36
Mother's maiden name LANGWELL
519/ 17
Killean and Kilchenzie
Aged 57
Mother's maiden name MCMILLAN
519/ 15
Killean and Kilchenzie
Mary's death in 1856 gives as you know her mother's maiden name as McMillan which matches what you have for her parents.
Monica
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The 1851 census has this entry which I though by age, fits with the death in 1858:
Archd Mcmillan 49 labourer b. Killean
Magsie Mcmillan 20 daughter
Hugh Mcmillan 17 son
Address: North Beachmenach, Killean
Monica
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So I am wondering if Archibald (brother of Mary) & Archibald (Son of Hugh & Mary) are uncle and nephew or if they are the same man, meaning that Hugh McMillan married twice, first to Betsey & then to Mary. I can't find another Archibald McMillan in the census living in Beachme/unach apart from the man who died in 1858.
What was the age of Archibald who died 1858, what are all the details on the cert?
Annie
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I wonder if Taychroman and North Beachmeanoch are different names for the same place?
See https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=55.62655&lon=-5.66816&layers=5&b=1
BTW Beach.... in these place names has nothing to do with a sandy shore. It's Gaelic, but I'm not quite sure exactly what it means.
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Not sure if it helps any but the Gaelic for beach is Traigh.
Annie
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So happens there are two deaths in 1858:
Aged 36
Mother's maiden name LANGWELL
519/ 17
Killean and Kilchenzie
Aged 57
Mother's maiden name MCMILLAN
519/ 15
Killean and Kilchenzie
Monica
Monica, are the above deaths for an Archibald, you didn't add names ;D
Annie
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Yes, I know that. And cladach is also a beach, but a more stony one.
Just trying to ensure that those with no knowledge of Gaelic don't let the names confuse them :)
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Monica, are the above deaths for an Archibald, you didn't add names ;D
Bad shorthand! Yes, both deaths are for an Archibald McMillan in 1858 in Killean.
Monica
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Wow - have come back to so many replies!
Forfarian - Archibald's death was registered by his son Hugh.
Rosinish - Details on the certificate are: Agricultural Labourer, Widower. Beachmenach. Parents - Hugh McMillan, Agricultural Labourer and Mary McMillan ms McMillan. Cause - (said to be) Consumption about 6 months. Buried at Killean churchyard as certified by son Hugh. Informant - Hugh McMillan son, present.
MonicaL - Thanks so much for all of the searching there! I have checked the 1861 census and there is an Archibald McMillan, living at Taychroman.
MCMILLAN Archibald Head U M 64 Farmer Of 40ac. Argyllshire Killean
MCMILLAN Donald Brother M M 60 Farmer Argyllshire Killean
MCMILLAN Jean Sislaw M F 33 Farmer's Wife Argyllshire Campbeltown
MCMILLAN Mary Niece U F 17 Farmer's Daughter Argyllshire Southend
MCMILLAN Alexander Nephew - M 13 Scholar Argyllshire Killean
MCMILLAN Jean Niece - F 12 Scholar Argyllshire Killean
MCMILLAN Duncan Nephew - M 10 Scholar Argyllshire Killean
MCMILLAN Margaret Niece - F 8 Scholar Argyllshire Killean
MCMILLAN Archibald Nephew - M 6 Argyllshire Killean
MCMILLAN Mysie Niece - F 4 Argyllshire Killean
MCMILLAN Neil Nephew - M 1 Argyllshire Killean
MCDONALD Alexander Nephew - M 24 Ploughman Argyllshire Killean
SMITH John Servnt U M 19 Ploughman Argyllshire Gigha
WALLACE Janet Servnt U F 22 Domestic Servant Argyllshire Carradale
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This is the same Archibald McMillan (though there seems to be some discrepancy in age) as the one in 1861, living at Taychroman still with his brother in 1841
Surname Forenames Sex Age Occupation Birth County Notes
MCMILLAN Archd M 35 Farmer Argyllshire
MCMILLAN Dond. M 35 Argyllshire
MCMILLAN Maysie F 14 Argyllshire
MCKEICH Archd M 13 Argyllshire
MCMILLAN Mary F 50 Female Servant Argyllshire
MCCONNACHY Mal. M 14 Argyllshire
And then this is the same Archibald in 1851
Archd Mcmillan, 59, 1792
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where Born: Killean, Argyll
Address: Faychroman
Occupation: Farmer
Household Members:
Name Age
Archd Mcmillan 59
Donald Mcmillan 50
Jean Mcmillan 24
Mary Mcmillan 8
Alexr Mcmillan 4
Jean Mcmillan 2
Duncan Mcmillan 6 Mo
James Falkirk 15
Dond Wallson 20
May Mcconachy 21
Archd Wallace 24
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1841 Argyllshire (ARL) Killean & Kilchenzie Killean 519 2 9 Beachmenach
Surname Forenames Sex Age Occupation Birth County Notes
MCMULLAN Archd M 35 Farmer Argyllshire
MCMULLAN Catherine F 15 Argyllshire
MCMULLAN Mary F 14 Argyllshire
MCMULLAN Agnes F 11 Argyllshire
MCMULLAN Maysie F 8 Argyllshire
MCMULLAN Hugh M 3 Argyllshire
And this is the one who died in 1858, in 1841. The name Maysie/Mysie/Magsie seems to crop up within the two households as well. I just maybe have to find the death for the Archibald McMillan living with his brother Donald.
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Having compared all of those census returns and noting that Donald's eldest son was called Alexander I dug around on ScotlandsPeople and found -
MCMILLAN ARCHIBALD/ALEXANDER MCMILLAN/M/27/11/1793/Killean and Kilchenzie
MCMILLAN DONALD/ALEXANDER MCMILLAN/M/03/11/1799/Killean and Kilchenzie
So perhaps no connection there.
My theory is, and it may be a stretch. That Hugh McMillan married Elizabeth/Betsey McMillan and they had issue - Mary 1779-1856, John 1784, Margaret 1786, Iver 1789, Catherine 1791, Florence 1796. Then, Elizabeth dies, and Hugh marries Mary McMillan on 3rd Apr 1800 and had issue - Archibald 1801-1858, Janet 1802-1881, Elizabeth 1804, Hugh 1807-1872, & John 1812.
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This may come in handy for researching Killean relatives...
http://www.ralstongenealogy.com/killeangraves.php
Annie
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...The name Maysie/Mysie/Magsie seems to crop up within the two households as well....
The variants are normally associated with the name Margaret www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=mysie
Monica
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My theory is, and it may be a stretch. That Hugh McMillan married Elizabeth/Betsey McMillan and they had issue - Mary 1779-1856, John 1784, Margaret 1786, Iver 1789, Catherine 1791, Florence 1796. Then, Elizabeth dies, and Hugh marries Mary McMillan on 3rd Apr 1800 and had issue - Archibald 1801-1858, Janet 1802-1881, Elizabeth 1804, Hugh 1807-1872, & John 1812.
Do you know where daughter Florence was born in 1796? I just wondered if it could match the place given for the same/other Hugh McMillan's residence in 1799 when he married Mary McMillan and he showed as resident of Culfuar.
Have you found Mary in 1841 and 1851?
Monica
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I wonder of any of your McMillans would show on the Duke of Argyll, Inhabitants 1792 census. It did cover the parish of Killean.
It is not something that I am familiar with. Hopefully there may be something there for you to follow up on if you haven't already.
Monica
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Angus Martin in 'Kintyre the hidden past' quotes from precognition against Duncan McConochy, records of the Lord's Advocate Office AD14 56/199
1. Donald MacMillan aged 54, farmer at taychroman in joint tenancy with his unmarried brother Archibald.
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Hi there. Just to clear up exactly who Archibald McMillan and Donald McMillan of Taychroman/Tayinloan in Killean were.
Archibald and Donald's parents were Alexander McMillan (b.abt 1757 d.1832) and Margaret Carmichael (b.1762 d.1840) both buried Killean graveyard.
Archibald never married but Donald married a much younger Jane (Jean) McGill in 1846 and they had a large family.
They still appear on the 1871 Scottish census before moving to Ontario, Canada shortly afterwards.
Donald died 20 Feb 1879 in Dunwich, Elgin County, Ontario and Archibald died 10 Jan 1881 in Dunwich, Elgin County, Ontario.
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I do not know if this is the same family you are seeking. Page 35 Angus Martin Kintyre the Hidden Past refers to an assault at Taychroman. Donald MacMillan 54 in a joint tenancy with his brother Archibald was a witness.