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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: NevilleTB on Sunday 20 February 22 05:11 GMT (UK)
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With the help of people on Rootschat I have tracked down a couple of people in my tree when I ran into a dead end.
The scope of this stage of research was to identify each direct ancestor back to the first immigrants or convicts to reach Australia. So far there are 18 convicts who are direct ancestors, plus an aboriginal branch which was never spoken of when I grew up in the 50s. It it would have been well known to my parents and grandparents. How times change.
I have one loose end before I complete the scope. Sarah Nicholls (1837-1867) is fairly well documented. The date of birth came from another family tree so should be treated with caution. What I know is:
1837 Sarah Nicholls born although I cannot find evidence.
1855 - Married James Pearsall at St. Mark's Alexandria. James was involved with horses, probably as a carriage driver at some stage, and blacksmith farrier at others.
1856 daughter Sarah Pearsall born
1858 daughter Alice Pearsall born
1859 Lily Phoebe Pearsall born
1860 Son Arthur Pearsall born. James Pearsall bought a pub - the Sydney Arms in Market St. Sydney
1863 James back working as a farrier
1864 Living in Paddington
1866 Son Isaac born and daughter Sarah died
1867 Sarah Pearsall (nee Nicholls) died
1868 Living in Randwick
1874 James died
Those are key dates for Sarah Nicholls and James Pearsall. The mystery is about the parents of Sarah. On her death record, her father was George, but who George Nicholls was is a mystery to me. Can someone cast some light on who he may have been, and any other background on George?
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According to her death notice, Sarah was aged 32 in 1867. Any of her children's birth certificates will give a place of birth and age.
Debra :)
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She was recorded as age 20 on the parish register of Christ Church St Lawrence, in November 1855. Married by Banns. I will type up some info from a transcription of the register later today when I can be on my puter. The historic church continues to serve the Anglican community in Sydney's CBD.
JM.
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Useful information on her birth in 1835 not 1837. Question still is who were her parents?
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See reply #1 from Debra.
WHERE was she born?
Do you have her children's birth certificates to tell you that?
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Have not been able to locate any BDM records for the children. I have baptism details. This is one example.
Baptisms Administered in the parish of St Marks Alexandria in the County of Cumberland in the Year 1859
When Baptised. April 24
When Born. 1809 March 25th
Child’s Christian Name. Lily Phoebe
Parent’s Christian Names. James and Sarah
Parent's Surname. Pearsall
Abode. St. James Glebe
Quality or Profession. Smith
By whom the ceremony was performed. G. W. Middleton
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From NSW BMD - Pearsall births
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She was recorded as age 20 on the parish register of Christ Church St Lawrence, in November 1855. Married by Banns. I will type up some info from a transcription of the register later today when I can be on my puter. The historic church continues to serve the Anglican community in Sydney's CBD.
JM.
I will be back at my desk top to type up the info by this evening. She was the daughter of a George NICHOLLS, and she was from Sydney
JM,
ADD, she was recorded as 'of the parish of Alexandria North .... :) :) :)
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I have added to my recent post ;D
I can see where Neville mentions he has baptisms for St Marks, Alexandria but no BDM certs for the children of George. As these were for the era before civil registration commenced in NSW, there won't be civil birth certificates. The NSW BDM does have some (but not all) of the records of baptisms in NSW from first settlement until civil registration commenced. Those baptisms are part of the "V" series - the Early Church Records.
ADD, Perhaps Neville can confirm the example he gave for that baptism. Was the baptism April 1859 with a date of birth in Mary 1809?
JM
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I misled you sorry. I did have the bdm records. Rushing this morning as I have to go out soon.
Some key details I have are:
Married - 239/1855 https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/61177/images/45578_dar%5Eco18471895-00069?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=95bbe512955059170b2332d627d8d6da&usePUB=true&_phsrc=CRk1542&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=900131212 (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/61177/images/45578_dar%5Eco18471895-00069?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=95bbe512955059170b2332d627d8d6da&usePUB=true&_phsrc=CRk1542&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=900131212)
Lily's baptism https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/61177/images/45578_dar%5Eco18471895-00031?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=2239c0d84ea686ac5fb726b4512e309c&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1440&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=130857 (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/61177/images/45578_dar%5Eco18471895-00031?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=2239c0d84ea686ac5fb726b4512e309c&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1440&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=130857)
1865 Sarah Sophia https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/61177/images/45578_cen%5Eba18581896-00022?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=7464ebe8a2387cc4347ad7b02a727b3e&usePUB=true&_phsrc=CRk1584&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=150312811 (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/61177/images/45578_cen%5Eba18581896-00022?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=7464ebe8a2387cc4347ad7b02a727b3e&usePUB=true&_phsrc=CRk1584&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=150312811)
1867 Newspaper death notice https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/9091/images/32744_B140544-00299?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=CRk1583&_phstart=successSource&pId=1396324 (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/9091/images/32744_B140544-00299?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=CRk1583&_phstart=successSource&pId=1396324)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13153517?searchTerm=james%20pearsall (https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13153517?searchTerm=james%20pearsall)
2605/1874 James death 2605/1874
Children
• Sarah A Pearsall (1856-1857)
• Alice Pearsall (1856-)
• Lily Phoebe Pearsall (1859-1923)
• Arthur James Pearsall (1860-1930)
• Sidney Charles Pearsall (1862-1933)
• Sarah Sophie Pearsall (1865-1866)
• Isaac Pearsall (1867-1901)
Hopefully this will give access to the full document. https://www.dropbox.com/s/jpe5um326f6emo7/JamesPearsallAndSarahNicholls.pdf?dl=0]www.dropbox.com/s/jpe5um326f6emo7/JamesPearsallAndSarahNicholls.pdf?dl=0]https://www.dropbox.com/s/jpe5um326f6emo7/JamesPearsallAndSarahNicholls.pdf?dl=0 (http://www.dropbox.com/s/jpe5um326f6emo7/JamesPearsallAndSarahNicholls.pdf?dl=0)
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So, by obtaining an official transcription of the NSW BDM birth cert for any of Sarah's children you should learn what is recorded about where she was born and her age when that baby was born, as mentioned by Debra and Neale has given excellent info for you - the ref numbers from NSW bdm index, you will need them for ordering.
Does Ancestry still give you any discount for ordering an official transcription .... otherwise there's their contact details at NSW bdm and at RChats NSW resources board.
As you have indicated you have the 1855 marriage info I won't need to type it up. :D :D :D
JM
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The information you have in your dropbox file, includes only the indexing of records from NSW BMD – no actual documents.
There are several convicts around at the right time in NSW named George Nichol / Nicholls, and by looking at each of them you may be able to gradually eliminate some.
As Sarah seems illiterate at marriage (signs with a X) you could probably eliminate the George Robert Nichols who is in Sydney and in the newspapers quite often.
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I have spent a few hours on this and come up with a list of potential candidates. If you are interested you can see them at https://www.dropbox.com/s/7k22e3mkbvz7brf/GeorgeNichols.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/7k22e3mkbvz7brf/GeorgeNichols.pdf?dl=0)
Having said that, I can find no link between their convict records and muster/census records and any marriage/birth records. I suspect I know who the father was. A convict who arrived on the Asia 2, but there is no link I can uncover. I cannot find any record of a marriage or wife. I cannot find any links to children.
I think this one has me beat.
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Just an observation...
I am not sure why you prefer using a drop box.
Surely all the people from George NICHOLLS era have been dead for many many decades or more.
RChat has been around for almost 20 years. Plenty of threads are reactivated because a person googles a name and lands on an old thread, joins, posts and shares info.
A list of names on a document in a drop box does not seem to me to give yourself the opportunity to have contact with genuine family history buffs who are seeking contact with genuine people like yourself. Thats one of the fantastic aspects of the grand website that is RootsChat.
Google searches wont find your dropbox list, now or in the future.
JM
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Valid point. The first document I listed was too big for this forum. I will post the other document tomorrow on the forum including links.
My goal is to create an eBook to record all information. It is 75% complete as of now. So far there are about 450 pages and 700+ references. George is the only missing link. I will probably make it freely available so that others can pick up my work and build on it.
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George Nicholls. These are the references I have uncovered. I said I would put them up on the forum in case anyone can do further research. They will need to span a couple of posts.
George Nicholls arrived on Lady Castlereagh.
1818 - George Nicholls convicted 16 April at Middlesex – 7 years. Transported on Lady Castlereagh in 1818
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/44360:1211?tid=&pid=&queryId=d7a8eb1f5e0b06e0faec232e2be20a11&_phsrc=LxO1456&_phstart=successSource (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/44360:1211?tid=&pid=&queryId=d7a8eb1f5e0b06e0faec232e2be20a11&_phsrc=LxO1456&_phstart=successSource)
1821 - Census. Living in Hobart.
https://search.ancestrylibrary.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8813&h=85397&tid=&pid=&queryId=73429c9259a4670a387123ec43293a36&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1483&_phstart=successSource (https://search.ancestrylibrary.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8813&h=85397&tid=&pid=&queryId=73429c9259a4670a387123ec43293a36&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1483&_phstart=successSource)
1843 - Tried at Windsor
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/5325/images/41725_307731-00087?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1531&_phstart=successSource&pId=258199 (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/5325/images/41725_307731-00087?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1531&_phstart=successSource&pId=258199)
George Nichols arrived on the Clarkson Not likely candidate as he was a teacher and his daughter Sarah could not sign her name.
1814 - Muster in 1814 G. H. Nichols arrived on the Clarkson. Came free. Teacher at ….
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/8813/images/41720_329547-00178?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=2196338859493aa53b9b3702b98ae659&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1493&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=68330 (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/8813/images/41720_329547-00178?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=2196338859493aa53b9b3702b98ae659&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1493&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=68330)
1819 = Muster in Liverpool 1819 G. K. Nichols arrived on the Clarkson
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/8813/images/41720_329547-00402?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=d7a8eb1f5e0b06e0faec232e2be20a11&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1458&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=81675 (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/8813/images/41720_329547-00402?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=d7a8eb1f5e0b06e0faec232e2be20a11&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1458&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=81675)
1822 - In the Census in Liverpool. G. K. Nichols.
https://search.ancestrylibrary.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8813&h=8392&tid=&pid=&queryId=73429c9259a4670a387123ec43293a36&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1489&_phstart=successSource (https://search.ancestrylibrary.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8813&h=8392&tid=&pid=&queryId=73429c9259a4670a387123ec43293a36&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1489&_phstart=successSource)
George Nichols arrived on the Asia 1 I think this is an error and should be included with the George on Asia 2
1821 - George Nichols arrived Asia 1 convicted 1 Sept 1821 arrived 1822 Life. (Think this was Asia 2)
http://[https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/13474:1211?tid=&pid=&queryId=73429c9259a4670a387123ec43293a36&_phsrc=LxO1476&_phstart=successSource (http://[https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/13474:1211?tid=&pid=&queryId=73429c9259a4670a387123ec43293a36&_phsrc=LxO1476&_phstart=successSource)
George Nichols arrived on Asia 2. A strong candidate however he did go to Port Macquarie and live there until his death. His daughter may have moved back to Sydney and settled here.
1825 - Convict Records. George Nichols arrived on Asia 2. Life. From Stafford 1 Sept 1821. Sent Sydney Cumberland 19 Nov 1825. Four years 23 Nov 1829
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/8992/images/41787_329461-00525?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1479&_phstart=successSource&pId=110340 (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/8992/images/41787_329461-00525?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1479&_phstart=successSource&pId=110340)
1822 - Colonial Secretary’s papers 29 July 1822 Arrived Asia 2. Assigned to Mr ………… Parramatta
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/82130:1905?tid=&pid=&queryId=73429c9259a4670a387123ec43293a36&_phsrc=LxO1477&_phstart=successSource (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/82130:1905?tid=&pid=&queryId=73429c9259a4670a387123ec43293a36&_phsrc=LxO1477&_phstart=successSource)
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1824 - George Nichols 4 Sept 1824 Attached to the Domain Party. On return of convicts received into or discharged from Parramatta Barracks
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/182712:1905?tid=&pid=&queryId=73429c9259a4670a387123ec43293a36&_phsrc=LxO1481&_phstart=successSource (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/182712:1905?tid=&pid=&queryId=73429c9259a4670a387123ec43293a36&_phsrc=LxO1481&_phstart=successSource)
1825 - George Nichols 19 Nov 1825 Convicted of manslaughter; to be transported to Port Macquarie for four years. On returns of prisoners tried and sentenced by the Supreme Court. Per Asia 1822
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/60014:1905?tid=&pid=&queryId=73429c9259a4670a387123ec43293a36&_phsrc=LxO1482&_phstart=successSource (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/60014:1905?tid=&pid=&queryId=73429c9259a4670a387123ec43293a36&_phsrc=LxO1482&_phstart=successSource)
1825 - George A Nichols. Convict arrived on Asia 2, 10 Oct 1825. Convicted suspicion of murder Tried 19th… 1825. Guilty 4 years transportation. Date and to whom discharged 1826 January 7 P M……..
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/64487:1783?tid=&pid=&queryId=73429c9259a4670a387123ec43293a36&_phsrc=LxO1464&_phstart=successSource (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/64487:1783?tid=&pid=&queryId=73429c9259a4670a387123ec43293a36&_phsrc=LxO1464&_phstart=successSource)
1828 - George Nicholl in Census 1828 arrived Asia 2 Living in Port Macquarie
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/16876:1224?tid=&pid=&queryId=73429c9259a4670a387123ec43293a36&_phsrc=LxO1474&_phstart=successSource (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/16876:1224?tid=&pid=&queryId=73429c9259a4670a387123ec43293a36&_phsrc=LxO1474&_phstart=successSource)
1829 - George Nichols arrived Asia 2. Assigned from Port Macquarie to the Phoenix Hulk???
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/8992/images/41787_329456-00111?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=73429c9259a4670a387123ec43293a36&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1478&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=50577 (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/8992/images/41787_329456-00111?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=73429c9259a4670a387123ec43293a36&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1478&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=50577)
1839 - Certificate of freedom. Arrived Asia 2. Allowed to stay in Muswellbrook.
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/11802:1781?tid=&pid=&queryId=0e7ef1a9f7acf9d494431ee17843ef9b&_phsrc=LxO1512&_phstart=successSource (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/11802:1781?tid=&pid=&queryId=0e7ef1a9f7acf9d494431ee17843ef9b&_phsrc=LxO1512&_phstart=successSource)
1846 - George Nicholls died in Port Macquarie
https://search.ancestrylibrary.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1779&h=3480027&tid=&pid=&queryId=09b78c26378beeebeab06f4c60d7af3f&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1537&_phstart=successSource (https://search.ancestrylibrary.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1779&h=3480027&tid=&pid=&queryId=09b78c26378beeebeab06f4c60d7af3f&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1537&_phstart=successSource)
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/8992/images/41787_329128-00126?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1541&_phstart=successSource&pId=117751 (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/8992/images/41787_329128-00126?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1541&_phstart=successSource&pId=117751)
George Nicholson on Norfolk. Could be, but a long shot. Sarah may have truncated her name.
1825 - George Nicholson 1825 convict on Norfolk. Tried Middlesex goal. 4 December 1828
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/13474:1211?tid=&pid=&queryId=73429c9259a4670a387123ec43293a36&_phsrc=LxO1476&_phstart=successSource (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/13474:1211?tid=&pid=&queryId=73429c9259a4670a387123ec43293a36&_phsrc=LxO1476&_phstart=successSource)
1837 – Certificate of Freedom George Nicholson arrived on Norfolk.
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/13244:1689?tid=&pid=&queryId=ac07189e8195acc2ab7295230153bd9a&_phsrc=LxO1505&_phstart=successSource (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/13244:1689?tid=&pid=&queryId=ac07189e8195acc2ab7295230153bd9a&_phsrc=LxO1505&_phstart=successSource)
1842 - Sought and was granted permission to marry Mary Price He was free and Mary was bond.
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/1504/images/30514_081753-00294?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1525&_phstart=successSource&pId=15487 (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/1504/images/30514_081753-00294?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1525&_phstart=successSource&pId=15487)
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Can I suggest you remove the live links from your recent posts, as they do not function for anyone except yourself, but instead take up valuable space.
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George Nicholls the sailor. Another perhaps.
1824 - G. Nicholls Second Officer on Deveron departing for Hobart.
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/14912:1602?tid=&pid=&queryId=73429c9259a4670a387123ec43293a36&_phsrc=LxO1485&_phstart=successSource (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/14912:1602?tid=&pid=&queryId=73429c9259a4670a387123ec43293a36&_phsrc=LxO1485&_phstart=successSource)
1859 - Discharged from the Ruby
https://search.ancestrylibrary.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8814&h=1014612&tid=&pid=&queryId=444273aee64b3e74cc7b2bf5c48eb39b&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1547&_phstart=successSource (https://search.ancestrylibrary.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8814&h=1014612&tid=&pid=&queryId=444273aee64b3e74cc7b2bf5c48eb39b&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1547&_phstart=successSource)
1864 – Discharged from the Renmark
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/8814/images/41728_330674-00564?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1557&_phstart=successSource&pId=1018811 (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/8814/images/41728_330674-00564?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1557&_phstart=successSource&pId=1018811)
George Nicholls from Scotland arrived on the Marilius.[/b][/color] Another possible.
1827 - George Nicholls from Scotland arrived on the Marilius. 7 years transportation. On 7 May 1840 was listed in a prison admission book.
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/1783/images/32245_223268-00458?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1526&_phstart=successSource&pId=92087 (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/1783/images/32245_223268-00458?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1526&_phstart=successSource&pId=92087)
1840 - List of trials in Sydney.
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/5325/images/41725_307731-00086?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=09b78c26378beeebeab06f4c60d7af3f&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1527&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=258163 (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/5325/images/41725_307731-00086?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=09b78c26378beeebeab06f4c60d7af3f&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1527&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=258163)
1840 - 7 May. Listed for trial
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/5325/images/41725_307702-00159?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1535&_phstart=successSource&pId=215011 (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/5325/images/41725_307702-00159?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1535&_phstart=successSource&pId=215011)
George Nichols on the Elsia. Very little known.
1830 – George Nichols arrived on the Elsia. 28 Jan 1830
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/70533:1783?tid=&pid=&queryId=0e7ef1a9f7acf9d494431ee17843ef9b&_phsrc=LxO1501&_phstart=successSource]]https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/70533:1783?tid=&pid=&queryId=0e7ef1a9f7acf9d494431ee17843ef9b&_phsrc=LxO1501&_phstart=successSource (http://)
George Nichols on the Roslyn Castle. Could be
1834 - George Nichols arrived on Roslin Castle Tried 17 Oct 1833 in Middlesex – life
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/1211/images/imaus1790a_081476-00268?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1508&_phstart=successSource&pId=59084 (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/1211/images/imaus1790a_081476-00268?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1508&_phstart=successSource&pId=59084)
1843 - Ticket of leave. Living in Goulburn
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/1781/images/32084_223229-00279?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1533&_phstart=successSource&pId=38196 (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/1781/images/32084_223229-00279?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1533&_phstart=successSource&pId=38196)
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George Nichols on the Waterloo. Very little known but if he worked in the post office, he could probably read and write but Sarah could not.
1829 - George Nichols arrived on the Waterloo. Included in the Gaol Admission books 1829 disposed of to post office.
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/475640:1783?tid=&pid=&queryId=0e7ef1a9f7acf9d494431ee17843ef9b&_phsrc=LxO1516&_phstart=successSource (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/475640:1783?tid=&pid=&queryId=0e7ef1a9f7acf9d494431ee17843ef9b&_phsrc=LxO1516&_phstart=successSource)
Unknown. The following are random records that may relate to people above or may not.
1814 - Mrs George Nichols Land Grant 1810 75 ¼ perches on 1 Jan 1814
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/368292:5117?tid=&pid=&queryId=d7a8eb1f5e0b06e0faec232e2be20a11&_phsrc=LxO1457&_phstart=successSource (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/368292:5117?tid=&pid=&queryId=d7a8eb1f5e0b06e0faec232e2be20a11&_phsrc=LxO1457&_phstart=successSource)
1814 - Mrs George Nichols Land Grant 1810 75 ¼ perches on 1 Jan 1814
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/368292:5117?tid=&pid=&queryId=d7a8eb1f5e0b06e0faec232e2be20a11&_phsrc=LxO1457&_phstart=successSource (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/368292:5117?tid=&pid=&queryId=d7a8eb1f5e0b06e0faec232e2be20a11&_phsrc=LxO1457&_phstart=successSource)
1814 - Mrs George Nichols Land Grant 1810 75 ¼ perches on 1 Jan 1814
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/368292:5117?tid=&pid=&queryId=d7a8eb1f5e0b06e0faec232e2be20a11&_phsrc=LxO1457&_phstart=successSource (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/368292:5117?tid=&pid=&queryId=d7a8eb1f5e0b06e0faec232e2be20a11&_phsrc=LxO1457&_phstart=successSource)
1814 - Mrs George Nichols Land Grant 1810 75 ¼ perches on 1 Jan 1814
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/368292:5117?tid=&pid=&queryId=d7a8eb1f5e0b06e0faec232e2be20a11&_phsrc=LxO1457&_phstart=successSource (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/368292:5117?tid=&pid=&queryId=d7a8eb1f5e0b06e0faec232e2be20a11&_phsrc=LxO1457&_phstart=successSource)
1814 - Mrs George Nichols Land Grant 1810 75 ¼ perches on 1 Jan 1814
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/368292:5117?tid=&pid=&queryId=d7a8eb1f5e0b06e0faec232e2be20a11&_phsrc=LxO1457&_phstart=successSource (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/368292:5117?tid=&pid=&queryId=d7a8eb1f5e0b06e0faec232e2be20a11&_phsrc=LxO1457&_phstart=successSource)
1814 - Mrs George Nichols Land Grant 1810 75 ¼ perches on 1 Jan 1814
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/368292:5117?tid=&pid=&queryId=d7a8eb1f5e0b06e0faec232e2be20a11&_phsrc=LxO1457&_phstart=successSource (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/368292:5117?tid=&pid=&queryId=d7a8eb1f5e0b06e0faec232e2be20a11&_phsrc=LxO1457&_phstart=successSource)
1814 - Mrs George Nichols Land Grant 1810 75 ¼ perches on 1 Jan 1814
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/368292:5117?tid=&pid=&queryId=d7a8eb1f5e0b06e0faec232e2be20a11&_phsrc=LxO1457&_phstart=successSource (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/368292:5117?tid=&pid=&queryId=d7a8eb1f5e0b06e0faec232e2be20a11&_phsrc=LxO1457&_phstart=successSource)
1814 - Mrs George Nichols Land Grant 1810 75 ¼ perches on 1 Jan 1814
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/368292:5117?tid=&pid=&queryId=d7a8eb1f5e0b06e0faec232e2be20a11&_phsrc=LxO1457&_phstart=successSource (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/368292:5117?tid=&pid=&queryId=d7a8eb1f5e0b06e0faec232e2be20a11&_phsrc=LxO1457&_phstart=successSource)
1843 - George Nichol died in Wilberforce V1843591 27b
https://search.ancestrylibrary.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1779&h=3481649&tid=&pid=&queryId=09b78c26378beeebeab06f4c60d7af3f&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1538&_phstart=successSource (https://search.ancestrylibrary.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1779&h=3481649&tid=&pid=&queryId=09b78c26378beeebeab06f4c60d7af3f&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1538&_phstart=successSource)
1840 - Ge?? Nicholson died in Liverpool V1840916 24a
https://search.ancestrylibrary.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1779&h=3480374&tid=&pid=&queryId=09b78c26378beeebeab06f4c60d7af3f&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1539&_phstart=successSource (https://search.ancestrylibrary.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1779&h=3480374&tid=&pid=&queryId=09b78c26378beeebeab06f4c60d7af3f&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1539&_phstart=successSource)
1858 - Prison admission book George Nichols at Darlinghurst
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/1783/images/41491_330316-00088?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1549&_phstart=successSource&pId=651136 (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/1783/images/41491_330316-00088?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LxO1549&_phstart=successSource&pId=651136)
1859 - George Nicholls in Cumberland Electoral Rolls
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/41161:1310?tid=&pid=&queryId=444273aee64b3e74cc7b2bf5c48eb39b&_phsrc=LxO1552&_phstart=successSource (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/41161:1310?tid=&pid=&queryId=444273aee64b3e74cc7b2bf5c48eb39b&_phsrc=LxO1552&_phstart=successSource)
1858 - G Nicholls in rate book for Waverley
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/203003:60707?tid=&pid=&queryId=444273aee64b3e74cc7b2bf5c48eb39b&_phsrc=LxO1553&_phstart=successSource (https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/203003:60707?tid=&pid=&queryId=444273aee64b3e74cc7b2bf5c48eb39b&_phsrc=LxO1553&_phstart=successSource)
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Can I suggest you remove the live links from your recent posts, as they do not function for anyone except yourself, but instead take up valuable space.
Agree with Neale.
Ancestry may well have current commercial relationships with NSW State Archives. I am absolutely sure that if those live links are for images of convict records then the original documents are held at the NSW State Archives, and are likely imaged on reels that are freely available at Kingswood and at various regional ARK centres across NSW and interstate. It is also likely that the indexes could be available on a number of not for profit family history websites... For example the on-going project here: https://www.bda-online.org.au/ the subs for that fantastic project is $40 p.a. and the index is freely available without logging in.
JM
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George Nichols on the Waterloo. Very little known but if he worked in the post office, he could probably read and write but Sarah could not.
1829 - George Nichols arrived on the Waterloo. Included in the Gaol Admission books 1829 disposed of to post office.....
Is it possible that the above George was connected to this chap : https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/nichols-isaac-2507 and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Nichols Isaac NICHOLS was the first Post Master General in Sydney Town. :) Isaac's mother's given name was Sarah.
JM
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Hi Neville,
Do you have a birth cert (or an official transcription) for a birth of any of Sarah's children? Do you have her death cert (or official transcription) ....
Just considering that perhaps she may have come to NSW from overseas, unaccompanied perhaps ... or if you have an official document showing she was born in the colony. Not every baby born in the early to mid 1800s in NSW was baptised, not all baptismal records were forwarded to their various denominations Sydney head offices, and not all those records were located when setting up the NSW BDM in 1856.
ADD here is a link to a pdf re the history of the NSWBDM https://www.nsw.gov.au/births-deaths-marriages/about-us/history-of-registry It gives good coverage for the 19th century when so many changes occurred in how life events were registered - so initially in parish/church registers and then commencing mid century with compulsory civil registers, often (particularly with respect to marriage), supported by those church registers.
JM
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I am a little confused as to the reason for not including references in the posts. Ancestry Library is freely available online and while there are other sources available, my goal was to leave some preliminary research for someone to build on in the future.
I would have thought it would be better to leave more information than less. No sense reinventing the wheel. There are many hours of research to get to this point so why discard it? Am I not understanding something?
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Re George the postmaster, that adds another piece of information. The son George Robert was a lawyer and we thought it unlikely Sarah was related as she could not sign her name. We ruled him out in a previous post.
The marriage record at St. Marks church in 1855 gives no clue to her parents. She may well have been born overseas given there seems no trace of her in Australia. I have searched for free settlers with that name but had no success. She was 20 when married, so could have come out with her parents or with one if the other was a convict.
I don't have any birth certificates. I have a baptism record for Lily Phoebe which is no help. Would it give details of the mother's origin on a child's birth certificate? If so I will get one.
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I don’t know if space is an issue or not, but all of your links just lead to the same Ancestry Library Edition customer log in page requesting:
Username
Password
Welcome to Ancestry Library Edition
Please enter a username and password or click help for assistance
That’s all we see I’m afraid Neville. :-\
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Are you sure that Ancestry Library is freely available online?
I share a snip I have just taken after reading your post : I am a little confused as to the reason for not including references in the posts. Ancestry Library is freely available online and while there are other sources available, my goal was to leave some preliminary research for someone to build on in the future.
I would have thought it would be better to leave more information than less. No sense reinventing the wheel. There are many hours of research to get to this point so why discard it? Am I not understanding something?
I don't know the answer, but I do know that RChat is global. Not everyone at RChat would want to complete the process that seems to be required in that snip. There may well be copyright issues as I would expect that Ancestry would have strict T & C. RChat has strict T & C here is the link to RChat's T & C https://www.rootschat.com/forum/terms.php Stickied on the Australia board here at RChat is a thread about copyright ... : https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=156350.0
JM
ADD ... just read Ruskie's post... yes, that's same as my snip. I will figure out how to remove the snip shortly. JM
ADD, done at 4.30 pm NSW time ... 'Uncheck' ::)
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Leave your snip there JM. It’s better to see that than the words I wrote.*
I believe Ancestry Library edition is, or was, free to access at home via some libraries during covid lockdown times, possibly beyond and continuing. :)
* I see it has been removed - no matter. :)
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Unfortunately Ruskie the free access from home to Ancestry Library Edition ended on 1st January this year. It was great while it lasted! I believe it is still free from libraries - if your library has a subscription (most around me do).
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Here it is, new name, I had Unchecked it.
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I have tried to get to Ancestry's link to read the particular terms and conditions.... but it seems you need to have a username for that too.
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Thanks Maddy.
Thanks for the image JM.
I have tried to get to Ancestry's link to read the particular terms and conditions.... but it seems you need to have a username for that too.
Neville’s links don’t work so no harm done and no breaches of anything. ;D
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Very strange. Last year during Covid I believe Ancestry Library was made available to everyone online for free. I was told that prior to that it was freely available through libraries. I have never subscribed to Ancestry. I did create a trial login
I have had one or two issues over the month in hitting the login page but find if I go back a page and try again it works. I did have a login for Ancestry UK for a trial period but that was over a year ago.
Could I suggest you follow a link, and go back when you get to the login page and then try going forward again to see what happens.
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Cannot go back. See new snip attached. Greyed out back and forward arrows top left hand corner
Even if I could, how long do you think Ancestry would support that link? What happens when the commercial arrangement between Ancestry and NSW State Archives expires...
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here is snip from NSW State Library re Ancestry Library .
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Very odd. Maybe they think I am a library.
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Well you are a very well read person.
:D
JM
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As long as I am not left on the shelf.
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I am probably flogging a dead horse but here goes. I had two theories on Sarah Nicholls.
1. Theory one is that she was married before given she was 30 when she married William Pearsall and Nicholls was her married name. I checked her marriage record and she is a spinster. Does that mean she was never married? Not sure about the conventions of the time. There was a Sarah Street married a Thomas Nicholls in 1849 - 642/1849 - but found nothing more.
2 Second path was to try and trace any information on the witnesses. One was Mark Williams. There was a convict of that name who seems to have been in Port Macquarie where one George Nicholls spent some time, but Mark is much older than Sarah and William. He attained his ticket of leave in 1842. I thought he might have been a family friend of Sarah as she was born in 1835, but unclear when the families overlapped. George died in Sydney so must have returned at some point.
The second witness is Isaac but I cannot decipher his last name. Another question for the experts. Was it normal to have two witnesses who were male? Would they have been doing it as friends of the bride and groom, or in an official capacity?
As I said this is probably a blind ally but I thought I would throw it to the "brains trust" who have helped me so far.
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In that era, in the NSW Church of England parish registers that I have accessed back as early as the 1970s as a volunteer transcribing the scribble of various clergy in those early registers, to more recent transcribing efforts even in this century.... Yes, there's no real rhyme or reason to see a 'pattern' to the witnesses. Sometimes there can be three or more 'signatures', sometimes the witnesses sign in full with clear strong firm handwriting, sometimes they scribble (although I feel that the clergy are by far the worst scribblers ever), sometimes the witnesses signatures are an Initial followed by a surname, sometimes you can clearly say THREE ADULT MALES were witnesses based on the clear full names easily read off the register. Sometimes you can say - hey, that person was not yet of full age, who gave consent for that marriage... I have one of my ancestors whose witnesses include a child aged 12. All valid, nothing odd at all, definitely a child by my 21st century eyes. But if you speak with experienced researchers they will likely remind you to consider the context - the then rules, then practices, then church practices, procedures etc.
Remember too that NSW did not have any divorce laws until the mid 1870s. So in NSW before civil registration commenced a clergyman had two options when HE filled out the various sections of HIS parish register. He could record either spinster or widow for the female and either bachelor or widow(er) for the male. So remembering that the clergy were responsible for obeying church laws and so the secular laws were not as significant as say the statute laws that apply in this century. In the era that Sarah married, Formal Marriage was a church matter, that the secular laws had to respect. Yes, de facto relationships were the domain of the civil courts.
So, the question you are asking re spinster could be better asked if we consider the alternative ... Widow. Queen Victoria became a widow when her lawful husband died in 1861. Until then, right throughout the realms of the British Empire and throughout much of the countries outside of the Empire but where the was a strong allegience to the practices of the Anglicans or Roman Catholics or Presbyterians or Methodists or other Christian denominations - a widow was either a relict of a formal marriage that had ended with the burial of her husband or any female with her young children to support and NO male known to be supporting that family group. So in a broad sense that includes not just how you or I would consider a 'widow' as a female whose husband has died. So a spinster could, in a broad sense in NSW in 1855 be considered a female who has no children and is not known to have a husband.
Important to also remember that the laws of England - particularly the Marriage Acts from say July 1823 and later, had NO effect anywhere except in England and Wales. But the 'Seven Years" laws from back in 1604 did apply right through the Empire, including NSW ... So a marriage in England was effectively terminated when a convicted person was transported to NSW as that was beyond the seas.
I am typing this into a tiny dialogue box. I will try to find the relevant threads that many experienced RChatters have contributed to regarding these matters, but you can look these matters up using RChats own search engine.
JM
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I have a different calculator from you.
I have the marriage of Sarah as 1855. I have her as aged 20 when she married. You have her as 30.
I am probably flogging a dead horse but here goes. I had two theories on Sarah Nicholls.
1. Theory one is that she was married before given she was 30 when she married William Pearsall and Nicholls was her married name. I checked her marriage record and she is a spinster. Does that mean she was never married? Not sure about the conventions of the time. There was a Sarah Street married a Thomas Nicholls in 1849 - 642/1849 - but found nothing more.
2 Second path was to try and trace any information on the witnesses. One was Mark Williams. There was a convict of that name who seems to have been in Port Macquarie where one George Nicholls spent some time, but Mark is much older than Sarah and William. He attained his ticket of leave in 1842. I thought he might have been a family friend of Sarah as she was born in 1835, but unclear when the families overlapped. George died in Sydney so must have returned at some point.
The second witness is Isaac but I cannot decipher his last name. Another question for the experts. Was it normal to have two witnesses who were male? Would they have been doing it as friends of the bride and groom, or in an official capacity?
As I said this is probably a blind ally but I thought I would throw it to the "brains trust" who have helped me so far.
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I believe the witnesses are
William May of St Marks’
Isaac Cribb of St James’ Glebe
I agree with JM her age on marriage is about 20.
Added - maybe this Isaac Cribb?
https://peopleaustralia.anu.edu.au/biography/cribb-isaac-31902
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I have been looking at Isaac CRIBB for a few days and that bio is incorrect.
Isaac CRIBB by the Baring in 1815 married Alice ADAMS and Sarah BROWN and he was of St James when he died.
Isaac CRIBB by the Atlas in 1819 married Bridget CLIFFORD.
Corrected because I got them the wrong way around ;D
Debra :)
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I agree with Neale's transcription, and I add that Isaac CRIBB was of St James Glebe. This is the then term used by some of the C of E clergy to indicate the locality and distinguish it from the other denominations that may have referred to St James eg the Roman Catholic church in Sydney includes their 'St James' parish within its diocese.
William MAY of St Marks, being the same C of E parish for Sarah (St Marks, Alexandria North), would indicate that William was able to confirm that Sarah was eligible to marry.
JM
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I am sure that Isaac Cribb was of this St James:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_James%27_Church,_Sydney
I am aware that the suburb GLEBE including Forest Lodge was established for C of E, but I will check further on the weekend. Debra will likely have better grasp on this. I am relying on grey cells while attending to real life matters for the next couple of days. Sorry.
JM
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Of course you are right on age. I somehow mixed up the dates.
The description of spinster and widow was very enlightening. Not so much in this case, but for the future. The witnesses give me a few leads to probe, but not sure it is going to turn up anything. They could both be friends of the husband and no use, but who knows what will turn up.
Regarding Glebe, I believe you are right about it being C of E. I did live there for about 8 years and dug into the background... then again if I cannot take 1835 from 1855 and get 20,...