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Im getting frustrated with tracing my great great grandfather,i found his marriage 1853 and the birth of his son 1855 but no trace of them in the census until his sons residence in 1901,if anyone can help id be grateful.
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Hi Bob,
You did not give any details to who they were or where in the world that you are researching ?
Regards
Sarah
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My bad John crouch married selina young in seal kent in 1853,their son Alfred crouch was born in 1855 underriver kent.
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Welcome to rootschat
Selinas marriage to John took place at Tonbridge on the 5th February 1853 - John was age 40 and Selina 24. Johns father was John & Selinas was Matthias, a William Young was a witness
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Thats amazing,thank you so much :)
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The image for the marriage is on FindMyPast.
Other birth registrations for siblings of Alfred
CROUCH, JOHN WILLIAM mmn YOUNG
GRO Reference: 1854 Mar Quarter in TUNBRIDGE Volume 02A Page 358
(Baptised Tunbridge Wells)
CROUCH, EDWIN mmn YOUNG
GRO Reference: 1856 Dec Quarter in SEVENOAKS UNION Volume 02A Page 340
(Baptised Seal)
CROUCH, MARY ANN mmn YOUNG
GRO Reference: 1858 Mar Quarter in MALLING Volume 02A Page 362
Baptised Kemsing
CROUCH, JOHN mmn YOUNG
GRO Reference: 1859 June Quarter in SEVENOAKS UNION Volume 02A Page 370
Baptised Kemsing
Baptisms on FindMyPast confirm parents as John & Selina/Selena
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Thats awesome,once again thank you so much.
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Despite all that information i still cant find them in the census,maybe its because ive taken a 14 day trial with ancestry,i can find their birth records except john born 1813 but the info is limited,i need an upgade lol.
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I don't think that the fact that you only have a free trial makes any difference to finding them, I can't see them either and it seems that so far nor can anyone else.
You won't find birth registrations prior to 1837 and until we know where John Crouch was born having father as John is not that much help either. I do wonder if the family were some sort of 'Traveller' as they often fail to appear on census.
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I'm wondering about this family :
1861 census
John BURLEY head 1821 ag lab Seal
Selina BURLEY wife 1827 Pemborough
Jane 9
Alfred 5
Edward 4
Mary Ann 3
William 1 month
RG 9; Piece: 468; Folio: 74; Page: 32
Alfred Burley is on the 1871 census as nephew in the household of Andrew and Harriet Donald in Poplar:
RG10 585 69 6
There's a possible marriage for Andrew John Donald to Harriet YOUNG 27 May 1849 St Dunstan Stepney. Harriet YOUNG'S father was MATTHIAS YOUNG.
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Welcome to RootsChat, ask4bob :)
This looks like it might be the birth reg for William....
BURLEY, WILLIAM mmn YOUNG
GRO reference: Mar quarter 1861 in Dartford Volume 02A Page 280
Perhaps someone could find a baptism to see who his parents are, otherwise purchasing the birth cert would. Take care to not confuse him with another William Burley also born in Kent but a year earlier, 1860.
PB
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William was baptised at Stone 10th March 1861 as Crouch - parents John & Selina
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Baptisms:Parents John and Selina Crouch (John a Labourer)
Alfred 26/8/1855 at St Peter & St Paul Seal Kent abode: Underriver Kent
Edwin 15/3/1857 at St Peter & St Paul Seal Kent abode: Underriver Kent
Mary Ann and John 16/8/1859 at St Mary Kemsing Kent (no abode recorded)
Burial St Mary Kemsing Kent:
John Crouch aged 3 months 26th August 1859
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In 1871 Alfred Burley age 15 is living with his uncle and aunt Andrew and Harriett Donald in St Luke, Poplar, London. Harriett is Selina’s sister.
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There's this birth: Harriet Donald March Q 1850 in Poplar MMN Young
1871 census: Poplar
Mathews (Mattias) Young born c1808 Kent
Dau: Sophia Young 18 born Middlesex
Granddaugher: Harriet Donald 21 born Middlesex .....possible Dau of Andrew & Harriet Donald
1861 census:Poplar
Matthias Young 51 born Pembury Kent
Mary Ann 50 born Pembury Kent
Matthias 20 born Middlesex
Elizabeth 19 born Middlesex
John 17 born Middlesex
Sophia 8 born Middlesex
1851 Matthias Young 42 and his family, Mary 41, Davy 17, Matthias 11, Elizabeth 9 and John 7 recorded in Poplar
1841 census living in Poplar Selina recorded with them;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQVZ-L7K
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You are right,i upgraded and made no difference,i know that people back then travelled from farm to farm so maybe travellers,thanks very much for your help :)
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Thats awesome,thank you all very much for your help.