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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Cheshire => England => Cheshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: mrsd on Sunday 13 February 22 15:31 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I wonder if I could have a fresh pair of eyes please to help me find the correct person from the information below:
Christopher Hough born 1885 Northwich - parents are John & Alice (nee Barlow)
John born 1852 Castle Northwich to John & Mary (nee Starkey)
Now my problem starts. According to census records, John (snr) was born around 1814, there are 2 John Houghs on a parish baptisms search on FindMyPast, 1 born then to Samuel & Mary, baptised in Weaverham, the other born in 1816 to Ralph & Mary in Middlewich. To confuse matters even more, I've found baptism records for 2 of John's children which stated hsi parents as William & Sarah but can find no record of them having a son called John in this time frame in Cheshire. I have Samuel & Mary on my tree but daren't go any further back until I can establish if these are definitely the correct parents.
Any help/thoughts would be appreciated
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Where did you get Alice's maiden name of Barlow from?
GRO online shows Christopher Hough reg March qtr 1886 Northwich mmn Sandbach
Was Alice previously married to a Barlow?
There is more than one John Hough birth in 1852 Northwich. Does John juniors marriage cert confirm his father was a waterman?
If so - 1851 & 1871 show John senior b 1816
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From FreeBMD and GRO, I can see a Christopher Hough registered in March quarter 1886 in Northwich RD - GRo give mother's maiden name of Sandbach :-\
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There is a baptism - Leftwich Wesleyan Methodist Church - 24 January 1886
Christopher, son of John and Alice Hough of Castle, born 26 December 1885.
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John Hough married Alice Sandbach in 1873 Chorlton. Both John & his father John are shown as boatmen
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There is a marriage in 1873 where John Hough and Alice Sandbach appear on the same page - FreeBMD.
St George, Chorlton - 6 September 1873
John Hough - 20, Bachelor, Boatman. Father -John, Boatman
Alice Sandbach - 20, Spinster, Servant. Father - James ?, Porter
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Oops, apologies CaroleW, I keep duplicating your results :-[
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No problem - reassuring to know we are both coming up with the same results ;D ;D
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Are you trying to find the family of the Christopher Hough who went to Canada 1907?
Married Margaret Asbury 19 November 1908 in Ladner British Columbia.
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1861 census for Alice Sandbach born Weaverham on census, not Wincham as transcript says, in household of grandfather Richard, a railway pointsman.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7KV-Z98
Possible baptism in Weaverham 5 June 1853 Alice daughter of Elizabeth Sandbach, single woman
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3L2-997
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I'm going to try & answer everyone at once here:
I'm ok with Christopher's searching thanks, have already found records for him on the Libraries & Archives Canada site, no problems there, this information was only provided to enable fresh eyes to trace correct the family back
I found Barlow on Christopher's marriage entry to his second wife
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There is no supporting evidence that his mother was Alice Barlow.
The 1891 has them incorrectly indexed as Baguley as they were living in the Baguley household
Using GRO online shows 12 Hough births all with mmn Sandbach between 1874 & 1898. Several of those children - including Christopher - appear on the censuses with Alice
I note that one child b 1876 was called Henry Barlow Hough.
Alice Sandbach was illegitimate - she is with grandparents in 1861. Baptism shows her mother as Elizabeth who is on the 1861 entry
May be more than a coincidence but in 1871 Alice Sandbach is a servant to 45yr old widow Jane Barlow whose late husband was Henry
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I gave a full reply yesterday but it doesn't appear to have all come through from looking below. Barlow as Alice's maiden name came from 2 Canadian documents found on the LAC site showing details of both of Christopher's marriages, in each case he had to give his parents' names & Barlow was entered as his mother's maiden name. As this was the first evidence I'd found for his parents names, I used that in good faith. I had also looked for marriages between John Hough and Alice..., had seen the Sandbach one but at the time dismissed it as a possible transcribing error with Sandbach being in Cheshire. Having read the various comments posted here yesterday, I had a fresh look on FindMyPast & concur with what you've told me. There is obviously some connection to the Barlow family somewhere along the line but not as a marriage. Interestingly, on Alice & John's marriage entry, she has a father listed as James (Sandbach) even though her mother had her outside of marriage, her grandfather was also called Richard & no evidence of a brother to Elizabeth called James
I haven't gone into the censuses in any depth yet
Thanks for your help, hopefully this full reply will post
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Henry Barlow aged 45 died Northwich 28.7.1870. Wife Jane Buckley Barlow was sole Executor.
1848 marriage in Liverpool - Jane Buckley Rhodes to Henry Barlow
Census entries show no children - Henry was a butcher.
You may want to consider downloading a copy of Henry’s will. If he was Alice’s biological father he may mention her in his will. For £1.50 it may (or may not) solve the mystery ??? ???
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/
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Just in case there is a connection - his marriage was 4.9.1848 @ St Helen. Sefton Merseyside. Both were full age. She is shown as of Sefton & he of Northwich Cheshire. - his occ was Butcher
Respective fathers were Thomas Barlow - Butcher & William Rhodes Excise Officer
Witnesses John Barlow & William & Maria Rhodes
https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
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Thanks Carole, for Christopher to think his mother's maiden name was Barlow there has to be some specific significance with this family, I'll dig around a little deeper now
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There is a definite connection - 1891 census for Jane Buckley Barlow shows a 16yr old niece Jane Beatrice Hough. Jane Beatrice Hough b 1874 - mmn Sandbach
Jane Buckley Barlow died 21.12.1893. One of her executors was John Hough - waterman
Just in case you end up pursuing the Barlow line - the 1841 reference is:
Piece 120
Book 10
Folio 8
Page 11