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Title: Age on immigrant list please.
Post by: aus*jen on Sunday 13 February 22 11:41 GMT (UK)
What is the age of Richard Jones, labourer from Tipperary Ireland please?  There are labourers
on this list aged only 13 years!
Title: Re: Age on immigrant list please.
Post by: Milliepede on Sunday 13 February 22 11:46 GMT (UK)
That's a hard one to call isn't it  :-\  Could be 17 or 19.  It looks a straighter line than another 3.
Title: Re: Age on immigrant list please.
Post by: majm on Sunday 13 February 22 11:48 GMT (UK)
I wonder if you could share the ship's name, and year of arrival  particularly if a voyage to New South Wales.  Some of the digitised passenger lists were originally filmed ... decades ago ....  there may be other versions available.

JM
Title: Re: Age on immigrant list please.
Post by: aus*jen on Sunday 13 February 22 12:03 GMT (UK)
Hi JM,  Not Australia this time alas >:(  It is the Shenandoah arriving in Philadelphia in 1850.
           Hoping for an age in the teens, but transcribed much older.  He states on the U.S Federal
           census that he arrived in 1850.  His birth year abt. 1835/6.  His sister emigrated to Aust. :D

Jen.
Title: Re: Age on immigrant list please.
Post by: aus*jen on Sunday 13 February 22 12:06 GMT (UK)
   I agree Millipede, it looks like a 1 but can't make out the number beside it.  The record is on
   FamilySearch.
Title: Re: Age on immigrant list please.
Post by: majm on Sunday 13 February 22 12:16 GMT (UK)
The first digit  is 1 the next is 7 or 9, length of down strokes,  7 and 9 both being drawn down past the 'imaginary line'  a feature that continue with numbers well into 20th century in Australia.

1,2,3, all sat on the line
4 ... it's central  down stroke ended on line, so the cross stroke was above that imaginary line
5 ... on the line
6 it's upstroke started markedly higher than 1, 2, 3 and it sat on the line.
7 and 9  their tails finished well below the line,  and 9 belly sat on the line
8 was tall and sat on line,
0 was on the line but short line 1, 2 & 3

So to me that's why I support Millepede's  17 or 19.

It is so very faded  :'(

JM.
Title: Re: Age on immigrant list please.
Post by: aus*jen on Sunday 13 February 22 13:05 GMT (UK)
Thankyou JM for your detailed number analysis,  ;D 17 or 19 years is within range to support his birth year still unconfirmed.  This record relies on Richard Jones to give his correct age, only 2 of 5 US
census records agree so he may be hazy as to his birth year.  The name and County of origin are
correct and year of immigration agrees with his statement on the 1900 US census.  This is a possible record for his immigration.

Regards,
Jen.
 
Title: Re: Age on immigrant list please.
Post by: Dulaigh on Sunday 13 February 22 14:52 GMT (UK)
Looks like 23.
Title: Re: Age on immigrant list please.
Post by: josey on Sunday 13 February 22 15:23 GMT (UK)
I agree it could be '2' as the first number, none of the '1's have that leading upstroke, but the length and angle make me think it is a '1'. I think the second number is '9' as there appears to be a tail is below the line. I have applied a filter which makes it a little clearer [to me anyway].

I would like to see a '9' from the same page.
Title: Re: Age on immigrant list please.
Post by: teragram31510 on Sunday 13 February 22 17:56 GMT (UK)
Having read the OP's message and the image I immediately saw 19, without reading any of the other replies.
Title: Re: Age on immigrant list please.
Post by: aus*jen on Sunday 13 February 22 20:11 GMT (UK)
Thankyou Dulaigh, Josey and Teragram.

Josey, your clip makes it easier to read, thankyou.  Attached is a clip from the record showing
two no. 19's.  I note the 9's have a very long 'tail'.  There is a 17 in there too for comparison.
I also see a 'dot' midway between Richard Jones' entry and the 13 below it.  It could be the
end of a long tail.  Then again, there are lots of 'dots' on the image :(
Title: Re: Age on immigrant list please.
Post by: craggagh on Sunday 13 February 22 20:15 GMT (UK)
Hello -

I would read his age as 29.

craggagh.
Title: Re: Age on immigrant list please.
Post by: aus*jen on Sunday 13 February 22 20:19 GMT (UK)
    Thanks Craggagh  :)
Title: Re: Age on immigrant list please.
Post by: josey on Sunday 13 February 22 22:10 GMT (UK)
I also see a 'dot' midway between Richard Jones' entry and the 13 below it.  It could be the
end of a long tail.  Then again, there are lots of 'dots' on the image :(
I agree, but there is a shadow of a line between the start of that second figure and the apparent dot, I believe this to be a '9' with its tail.
Title: Re: Age on immigrant list please.
Post by: aus*jen on Sunday 13 February 22 22:47 GMT (UK)
Thankyou Josey,  I too can see that shadow of a line, it can only be 7 or 9 and the top
                          section of the number doesn't look like the 17 on on the second clip.
                          You have been very helpful, thankyou.

Regards,
Jen.