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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: martin mosley on Wednesday 26 January 22 20:13 GMT (UK)
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I’m looking at my 5xG Grandparents, John Barnes and Elizabeth Leam, who married on 2 Jan 1765 in Crich.
The problem is that I can’t find a baptism record for Elizabeth. And I’m wondering if she had been widowed before marrying John Barnes. There’s nothing in the marriage record to indicate that..
There is though,an Elizabeth Thorp, who marries Samuel Leam in 1755. There’s also a burial for a Samuel Leam in 1760 (though nothing to indicate this is the same Samuel)
Has anyone got anything that might help to clarify who Elizabeth really was?
Many thanks
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The entry for the marriage on the FreeReg site states that John is a bachelor and Elizabeth is a spinster.
To be absolutely certain you need to see an image of the original entry in the Parish Register. Never rely on transcriptions as mistakes are often made.
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Thank you.
The register entry shows dates for the reading of Banns and of the marriage. It indicates both were of ‘this parish’, but does not mention their previous ‘condition’.
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I wonder where FreeReg got the info from then. They usually copy the whole entry and don't add bits.
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FindMyPast has transcripts only
Marriage
Samuel Leam, weaver, bachelor, age 27, married 19 July 1753, place Crich, spouse Eliza Thorpe, age 20, spinster, residence parish Crick (sic)
Parish Burials
Samuel Leam, bur 8 May1780, place Crich
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Transcripts only
Burials
Elizabeth Leam, 21 Oct 1788, Crich
Elizabeth Leam, 15 Sep 1786, Crich, father Joseph**
** Parent's name present usually indicates infant/young child
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FindMyPast image
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBPRS%2FSTAFF%2F007619050%2F00715&parentid=GBPRS%2FSTAFF%2FMARRLICENCE%2F036600%2F1
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Thank you. I had found that marriage, but not the licence.
I’m still not sure whether it is the Elizabeth I’m looking for. But certainly a possibility
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There’s a Samuel Leam buried at Fritchley 30 Jul 1760, which could fit with Elizabeth then remarrying in 1765 to John Barnes
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Hi,
Image of Marriage is on Ancestry, you need to search 1765 Crich Derbyshire for
John Bearns = Elizabeth Seam
Not totally the fault of Ancestry, first line records there names as Barns and Leam
However then look at what John signs as, Elizabeth makes her mark against the name Seam.
Spendlove
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Hi Spendlove, long time no see!
I hope you’re well.
Yes, I have that image, was hoping it might indicate whether Elizabeth was a spinster or widowed at the time of the marriage.. No such luck!
For such an unusual family name, this one is proving difficult to follow ;D
FWW, after the death of John Barnes, she later went on to marry a William Annable, and was still living in 1807 when her son, John provided for her care in his Will.
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OK, I now have a burial for Elizabeth on 14 May 1822 in Crich, aged 90.
So she was likely born Abt 1731, which means that the age of 21 yrs given on the 1753 marriage licence for Elizabeth Thorp would fit..
And for a young lady to marry for the first time in 1765, aged Abt 34yrs would be unusual?
I’m beginning to feel she was likely born Elizabeth Thorp
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Hello MM
I am fine, thanks for asking, how are you?
As John, the son, in his Will named his mother as Annable, feel sure you have correct line of Thorp, Leam, Barns, Annable.
Noticed in John’s Will he mentions, as one of his Friends a William Leam, can you link him back to Samuel Leam first husband?
Another connection is that, although not actually living in the village of Crich, there are burials there for Annables from Belper Laund, which is in Belper parish of Duffield, which may account for their marriage in Duffield Church.
There must be a strong connection to Crich, quite a walk from Belper to Crich.
Spendlove
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The link with Belper/Heage is one I understand from earlier research on this family. They were at least partially nonconformists, and it was the Belper/Heage Chapel where a number of family members were active. I have a memoir from one of them which recounts that walk being taken regularly, and apparently not always sober either.
I'm following up on William Leam too, but everything begins to point to Elizabeth being born Thorp.
Thank you all for your help, it is greatly appreciated.