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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Dorset => Topic started by: brianthetaff on Sunday 16 January 22 19:59 GMT (UK)
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My maternal grandfather, Frank Roland Locke has been a mystery in our family for over 20 years. Despite all efforts by various people, we have not traced a birth certificate for his birth on 29 February 1888. As I and my cousins were not involved with the contents of his home, we didn't know where he was born until the 1921 Census which quotes Weymouth. My cousin is doing most of the research but in my mind, I'd have thought both their names would appear in the 1891 Census but I'm struggling. On his wedding certificate, married in St Helens Lancs in November 1914, he lists his father as deceased but a former 'osier trimmer'. I would appreciate a simple 'yes' or 'no' that these two are listed in Dorset's 1891 Census as Frank would have been 3/4 at that time!
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Not quite as easy as a yes or no I am afraid! This is what I have found however; in 1901 the family are on the census with Frank aged 13 years, but the surname is Loche, father William is there. 1891 I believe it is the correct family, but they are listed as Ingram for the surname having been transcribed as the family above's surname, Frank is 3 years old, and appears to have been born in Poole, Dorset. Hope this helps.
Regards.
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Not quite as easy as a yes or no I am afraid!
This is what I have found however; in 1901 the family are on the census with Frank aged 13 years, but the surname is Loche, father William is there.
1891 I believe it is the correct family, but they are listed as Ingram for the surname having been transcribed as the family above's surname, Frank is 3 years old, and appears to have been born in Poole, Dorset. Hope this helps.
There are these Lock births with mmn Ingram
LOCK, FRANK mmn INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in POOLE Volume 05A Page 275
LOCK, LEONARD mmn INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1889 M Quarter in POOLE Volume 05A Page 265
Susan Ann Ingram
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep 1883
Registration District: Poole Dorset
Volume: 5a Page: 517
Name on same page
William Lock
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The 1891 has William Lock's occupation as grocer. 1901 he is a grocer/shopkeeper
Frank Roland Locke was b 29.2.1888 - Any birth reg would be in the March qtr 1888
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I am overwhelmed and overjoyed at the messages. Very many thanks to you all. I am now wondering if Frank's birth certificate was in the name of Ingram, but I shall now chat to my cousin. After all these years, we can now move a bit further forward. Best Wishes.
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brianthetaff, when did Frank pass away please.
John
Added,whilst birth date cannot be confirmed this is a baptism that seems to fit with Ladyhawks birth ref.
First name(s) Frank
Mother's first name(s) Susan Ann
Last name Lock
County Dorset
Birth year -
Country England
Baptism year 1887
Record set Dorset Baptisms
Baptism date 23 Jun 1887
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Baptism place Poole
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Church St Paul
Collections from England, Great Britain
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Death
Frank R Locke aged 74 - September qtr 1962 St Helens
I do not think the Frank Lock in 1891 is the right one
His marriage cert shows father as John William - "osier trimmer". The 1891 entry has father as William occ grocer & in 1901 William is a grocer/shopkeeper
Frank was b 29.2 1888 (which was a leap year) so how can a birth registered in Sept qtr 1887 be the right birth??
If he was b Weymouth Dorset as per the 1921 entry - no Frank Roland Lock(e) birth in Dorset nor anywhere else
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brianthetaff, must confess this is a tricky search. Do you know or have any evidence as to whether your grandfather had any siblings and if so their names.
John
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My grateful thanks for your support and I apologise for the lengthy reply. My cousin (child of 4th daughter of Frank Locke) had been to extreme lengths to find out who this man was. It was only when I started my family tree that we were reunited - my mother was the eldest but we lived in Wales. All we ever knew was his birthdate being 29 February and the year 1888. In the 1911 Census my Grandmother was working in a stocking factory in Leicestershire. My cousin tried all ways available to find out how she ended up getting married to Frank in St Helens in 1914. The contents of their home was disposed of by my uncle who had no time for his own family, so the normal history that is found on house clearance was lost. There was a sort of picture/painting type of Frank in Naval uniform but I've been told that there is no record of Frank at the N.A. However, for some reason, probably medical, he did not join up for WWI and it is my opinion that Frank went down the Pits to avoid being enlisted in any of the Infantry Regiments. So, until the 1921 census, we never knew where Frank was born, we only had the details off his marriage certificate. My mother did tell me that Frank had brothers, some joined the navy, but the Lock's that I researched on CWGC web site didn't give the parent details. My cousin (who visited our grandparents quite often as a child) was told that Frank's mother died young and even that she may have committed suicide BUT all this was in the 50's. So the plot thickens, we were hoping that where Frank was born would open the doors, let alone how did he meet Gran in Leicestershire and they went to St Helen's. I ruled out getting married because she was pregnant. Again, apologies for all this, but on the funny side of family research, I thought the Evans and Davies side was a nightmare? Best Wishes.
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This is not going to help you in the slightest but see that Locks/Lockes are a branch of the Boswell family (gypsy) and one of the families I read about had 2 sons that went to America one of whom was named Roli (short for Roland??).
Wonder if this is why there is nothing on Frank Roland Locke before his marriage. I know they avoided the census if they could, and often avoided registering their children's births but would usually get them baptised.
An Osier Trimmer certainly sounds like someone involved in basket making.
Annette
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What is on the marriage certificate, 1914?
There should be address for bride and groom, occupation for bride and groom, and their fathers, names of witnesses, married in church?....what denomination?
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Frank Roland Locke and Emma Maria Stafford were married in Church in St Helen's on 14 November 1914, having lived in what has been described as a Boarding House (address was given) and the two witnesses on the Certificate actually married the year after. I'm sure I was told that there was no need to provide birth certificates to the Vicar. This man (mainly because of the lack of family information from within their home) has always been a mystery. When my mother was born (the eldest), Emma Maria went back to Countesthorpe, Leicestershire for the birth in August 1915, all the rest were born in St Helens. My cousin has done the Stafford family tree back to around 1700. Thanks for the support.
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I see Frank's occ was a Colliery Hewer below in 1939
Is this him?
Frank Locke
Event Type: Accident
Residence Date: 17 Mar 1927
Residence Place: St Helens, Lancashire
Colliery: Ashtons Green
Owner: Bromilow Foster and Co
Notes: Shoulder crushed between box and side.
173 Derbyshire Hill.
Frank Locke
Event Type: Accident
Residence Date: 29 Jul 1927
Residence Place: St Helens, Lancashire
Colliery: Sutton Heath
Owner: Sutton Heath and Lea Green Collieries Co
Notes: Hand crushed by rope.
173 Derbyshire Hill.
Frank Locke
Event Type: Accident
Residence Date: 9 Sep 1927
Residence Place: St Helens, Lancashire
Colliery: Ashtons Green
Owner: Bromilow Foster and Co
Notes: Wrist sprained between boxes.
173 Derbyshire Hill.
F Locke
Event Type: Accident
Residence Date: 14 Jul 1928
Residence Place: St Helens, Lancashire
Colliery: Ashtons Green
Owner: Bromilow Foster and Co
Notes: Fall of coal - contused ankle.
173 Derbyshire Hill Road.
F Locke
Event Type: Accident
Residence Date: 25 Apr 1928
Residence Place: St Helens, Lancashire
Colliery: Ashtons Green
Owner: Bromilow Foster and Co
Notes: Fall of stone - bruised hip.
173 Derbyshire Hill.
Frank Lock
Event Type: Accident
Residence Date: 21 Oct 1929
Residence Place: St Helens, Lancashire
Colliery: Ashtons Green
Owner: Bromilow Foster and Co
Notes: Fall of dirt - bruised shoulder.
173 Derbyshire Hill Road.
details from UK, Coal Mining Accidents and Deaths Index, 1878-1935 on Anc*y
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Wow! Yes that is my grandfather, and Derbyshire Hill is where the other children were born. With regards to the middle name Roland, my mother gave my oldest brother that as his middle name, means that at least it was used in the Locke home.
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I’ve tried searching for Frank's father named John, John William, J.W. Lock(e) with occupation osier trimmer/cutter/basket maker but have drawn a blank ???
A picture of an Osier Cutter c1890
https://www.francisfrith.com/uk/generic/special-subjects-the-osier-cutter-c1890_a001049
At the moment the only Frank Lock I’ve found with a father John born 1888 Combest Nicholas, Somersetshire and his father John occ General labourer/Agr Lab.,/Farm lab. and Frank’s occ 1911 farm labourer (neither have middle names)
For info. I've added the link to the censuses
1891 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WPCC-RW2
1901 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS84-WMH
1911 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7R4-FR4
Franks birth is in the right qtr. but no middle name :-\
LOCK, FRANK mmn COLLINS
GRO Reference: 1888 M Quarter in CHARD Volume 05C Page 406
Ann’s Collins married John Lock, labourer on 25 Jun 1885 married at Buckland St Mary, Somerset
I have only found a baptism for son Samuel that gives his date of birth 28 Jul 1886 have not found one for Frank
His brothers
William Lock died 10 April 1916 served with Somerset Light Infantry, 3rd Bn
Samuel Lock died of wounds on 29 Jun 1918 served with Duke of Cornwall’s Light Infantry, 1st Bn
There is this entry in Ireland 1911 but it's only an initial F for christian name :-\
F Locke age 23 , single, general labourer born in England on 1911 Ireland census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QYVY-83N2
It’s return of Military, R.I. Constabulary or Metropolitan Police in Barrack, there are many other names on this census F Locke appears between J Livett 20 & F Marshall 20
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Many thanks for all your research. I'm going to have a chat with my cousin as to what we do next.