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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: davethomas2021 on Wednesday 12 January 22 23:07 GMT (UK)
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Searching for the family of my GGF Patrick Burke (1855-1940)
He was born and died in Adelaide, and had at least 7 children in SA with Annie Gooley (1853-1923). Married c1878 but not registered.
They were buried in the same plot with John Patrick Burke (1838-1925) (a brother?)
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Are you looking for ancestors of this man, or his children ?
What information do you already have from his death certifictae?
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Hi Dave,
Why don't you start by listing -
The births in order with date and deaths and place you know of.
Addresses and occupations of any of the family
The information you have learned from any certificates.
Have you had a good search here?
https://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-database-search
Sue
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Trying to find Patrick’s parents in particular, also any brothers or sisters.
Probably goes without saying, but they were definitely Irish Burkes.
Family lore says from county Kerry, but no proof of that.
Pats occupation was bullock driver and labourer.
His death record lists 10 children (1M, 4F living, 3M 2F deceased)
I have found seven, but the other three (2 deceased M, 1 deceased F) appear to be unregistered, with no trove references.
Ellen (Nell) 1878-1947 b. Crystal Brook
Rosina 1880-1955 b. Booleroo
John Francis 1884-1915 b. Willochra
Anne Marie Myra 1887-1963 b. Adelaide
Francis Edward 1891-1935 b. Adelaide
Dorothy Margaret 1893-1898 b. Adelaide
Hilda Catherine 1896-1978 b. Adelaide
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Are these the burials you have identified -
Using Adelaide Cemetery search https://aca.sa.gov.au/record-search I see -
BURKE Annie 69y died 23 Jul 1923 buried 23 Jul 1923 (b. ~ 1854)
BURKE John 87y died 27 Mar 1925 buried 27 Mar 1925 (b. ~ 1858)
BURKE Patrick 85y died 31 Jan 1940 buried 31 Jan 1940 (b. ~ 1855)
The Advertiser 28 Mar 1925 p12
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/46194453?
On the 27th of March at the Little Sisters Glen Ormond, John P BURKE late of Undalya aged 87 years R.I.P
https://archives.sa.gov.au/finding-information/discover-our-collection/health-and-welfare/hospitals
Select the 1911-1917 records....finds....
BURKE John last address: Undalla or Auburn
(W)idow.....Religion: RC
Admitted: 15 Jan 1912 Discharged: 15 Feb 1912
Origin: Ireland Years in SA: 52 Ship: Adamant
Try searching the other years for BURKEs....and just for Adamant. You might find others arriving on this ship who, using BDM, might be relates to your BURKEs
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Yes, those are the burials.
Wow, the hospital records are an amazing resource that I didn’t know about.
Will definitely look for other Burkes. Thank you!
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Other BURKEs arriving on the "Adamant", with age +/- ~ 10 years of your Patrick would be worth considering to be possibly male siblings of your GGF Patrick Burke, died 1940, Adelaide.
If there are female BURKE siblings to find in the hospital records they would likely be married, so not listed as BURKE.
As well as searching for BURKEs, you should search for females identified as arriving on the "Adamant" with age +/- ~ 10 years of your Patrick and account for them by marriages, SA, or deaths, SA to see if they are BURKEs.
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From Biographical Index of South Australians.
The only GOOLEY Ann I can see.
GOOLEY, Timothy. b. 1812 Tipperary. died by 1881. Arrived 1853 per Eraminondas. Labourer. Residence Black Forest Edwardstown , Blackwood. Rel R.C.
Married Margaret nee Kearns b. 1825 Ireland, died after 1881.
Chn. Mary b c. 1836. Margret NEILE b c. 1838. Cath. HUMBERSTONE b. c. 1840. Honora b. c. 1842. Sarah b. c. 1845. John b. c. 1854 Anne b. c. 1855. Winnifred b. c. 1857 d. 1859. Ja McCAFFEREY b. 1859 Alice b. c. 1860
Sue
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Are these the burials you have identified -
Using Adelaide Cemetery search https://aca.sa.gov.au/record-search I see -
BURKE Annie 69y died 23 Jul 1923 buried 23 Jul 1923 (b. ~ 1854)
BURKE John 87y died 27 Mar 1925 buried 27 Mar 1925 (b. ~ 1858)
BURKE Patrick 85y died 31 Jan 1940 buried 31 Jan 1940 (b. ~ 1855)
The Advertiser 28 Mar 1925 p12
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/46194453?
On the 27th of March at the Little Sisters Glen Ormond, John P BURKE late of Undalya aged 87 years R.I.P
https://archives.sa.gov.au/finding-information/discover-our-collection/health-and-welfare/hospitals
Select the 1911-1917 records....finds....
BURKE John last address: Undalla or Auburn
(W)idow.....Religion: RC
Admitted: 15 Jan 1912 Discharged: 15 Feb 1912
Origin: Ireland Years in SA: 52 Ship: Adamant
Try searching the other years for BURKEs....and just for Adamant. You might find others arriving on this ship who, using BDM, might be relates to your BURKEs
Perhaps I am not reading this well, but if the above John BURKE was 87 at his death in 1925, he was born in 1838.
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Are these the burials you have identified -
BURKE Annie 69y died 23 Jul 1923 buried 23 Jul 1923 (b. ~ 1854)
BURKE John 87y died 27 Mar 1925 buried 27 Mar 1925 (b. ~ 1858)
BURKE Patrick 85y died 31 Jan 1940 buried 31 Jan 1940 (b. ~ 1855)
The Advertiser 28 Mar 1925 p12
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/46194453?
On the 27th of March at the Little Sisters Glen Ormond, John P BURKE late of Undalya aged 87 years R.I.P
Perhaps I am not reading this well, but if the above John BURKE was 87 at his death in 1925, he was born in 1838.
That’s correct. It’s a bit odd though, if he is Patrick’s brother, he’s a much older brother.. an uncle maybe? A bit young to be his father, probably.
The other odd thing is that if the ‘years in SA’ is correct, then John has arrived about five years after Patrick was born
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Yes, that would give BURKE Patrick died, 1940, a birth year ~ 1838.
He dies as a widower, at what sounds to be a Catholic hospice, and no family mentioned in the death notice.
Even if his age is out by a few years, he would be a brother to Patrick, died 1925, if they would at distant ends of a large family. So, maybe........an uncle......assuming that the age, 87y is not a transcription error?
I suspect that the death certificate would not be so useful to see because......he dies as a widower, at what sounds to be a Catholic hospice, and no family mentioned in the death notice.
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From Biographical Index of South Australians.
The only GOOLEY Ann I can see.
GOOLEY, Timothy. b. 1812 Tipperary. died by 1881. Arrived 1853 per Eraminondas. Labourer. Residence Black Forest Edwardstown , Blackwood. Rel R.C.
Married Margaret nee Kearns b. 1825 Ireland, died after 1881.
Chn. Mary b c. 1836. Margret NEILE b c. 1838. Cath. HUMBERSTONE b. c. 1840. Honora b. c. 1842. Sarah b. c. 1845. John b. c. 1854 Anne b. c. 1855. Winnifred b. c. 1857 d. 1859. Ja McCAFFEREY b. 1859 Alice b. c. 1860
Sue
They’re the ones Sue 🙂
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Yes, that would give BURKE Patrick died, 1940, a birth year ~ 1838.
He dies as a widower, at what sounds to be a Catholic hospice, and no family mentioned in the death notice.
Even if his age is out by a few years, he would be a brother to Patrick, died 1925, if they would at distant ends of a large family. So, maybe........an uncle......assuming that the age, 87y is not a transcription error?
I suspect that the death certificate would not be so useful to see because......he dies as a widower, at what sounds to be a Catholic hospice, and no family mentioned in the death notice.
Just to confirm..
BURKE John Patrick 87y died 27 Mar 1925 (born 1838)
BURKE Patrick 85y died 31 Jan 1940 (born 1855)
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The Advertiser 27 Mar 1915 p14
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/5454863?
On the 6th March 1915 John Francis the dearly beloved second son of P and A BURKE, of
A Burke, of Weller Street, Goodwood, and late of the 10th Battalion of Reinforcements
of the S.A Expeditionary Forces aged 30 years.
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The Advertiser 27 Mar 1915 p14
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/5454863?
On the 6th March 1915 John Francis the dearly beloved second son of P and A BURKE, of
A Burke, of Weller Street, Goodwood, and late of the 10th Battalion of Reinforcements
of the S.A Expeditionary Forces aged 30 years.
Yes, poor John Francis got sick and died in Egypt, before he got to fight.
The family seemed particularly cut up about it.. they weren’t big on newspaper notices, but I’ve found a few memorials for this John
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Looking at your list of children at reply #3, the description of John Francis BURKE as the second son might be of use to you.
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Looking at your list of children at reply #3, the description of John Francis BURKE as the second son might be of use to you.
Spot on