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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: andrewp91 on Wednesday 29 December 21 01:06 GMT (UK)
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Dear Rootchatters,
I was wondering if anyone would be able to find the burial spot of Benjamin Sedgwick, my 5th Great-Grandfather.
He was a Tailor throughout all of his life and lived very close to the City Centre of Birmingham. - 1821 City and County Pigot's Directory of Warwickshire - 78 Bromsgrove Street, Birmingham
- 1828 City and County Pigotīs Directory - 78 Bromsgrove Street, Birmingham
- 1828-1829 City and County Pigot & Coīs National Commercial Directory (pg2)- 78 Bromsgrove Street
- 1830 City and County History, Topography and Directory of Warwickshire - 72 Bromsgrove Street, Birmingham
- 1833 City and County Wrightson's Triennial Directory of Birmingham - 78 Bromsgrove Street, Birmingham
- 1835 City and County Pigotīs Directory - 78 Bromsgrove Street, Birmingham
- 1835 City and County Directory of Birmingham - 70 Bromsgrove Street, Birmingham
- 1839 City and County Robsonīs Birmingham & Sheffield Directory - 78 Bromsgrove Street, Birmingham
- 1839 City and County Wrightson's Triennial Directory of Birmingham - 28 Bromsgrove Street
- 1841 Census - Blakeman? Terance, St Thomas, Birmingham
- 1851 Census - 37 Bath Row Passage, St Thomas, Birmingham
- 1855 City and County Birmingham and Warwickshire Directories - 14 Holloway Head, St Thomas, Birmingham
- 1861 Census - 78 Holloway Head, St Thomas, Birmingham
- 1862 City and County Corporation Directory for Birmingham and its Environs - 77 Holloway Heat, St Thomas, Birmingham
- 1871 Census - 6 Irving Street, St Thomas, Birmingham
I have looked at the 'Birmingham, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1964' for all the churches on Ancestry, however have not been able to find anything on him. I was sure at one point he was buried with one of his sons at St Thomas Church in Birmingham, however, this lead to finding nothing in the records.
His details are as followed, Benjamin Sedgwick
Born around 1796 in either Handsworth, Staffordshire or Handsacre Staffordshire- In the 1851 and 1861 Census Record it looks like he marked as born in Handsworth, Staffordshire.
- In the 1871 Census Record it looks like he marked as born in Handsacre, Staffordshire.
Marriage was to Margaret Yeomans on 11 May 1819 in Armitage, Staffordshire
- Marriage did not last. As in the 1851 Census, Benjamin Sedgwick is living with a younger woman called Elizabeth Burdett who already has children of her own. Then in the 1861 census, he is 'married' to Elizabeth, but cannot find a second marriage.
Children with Margaret Yeomans- William Sedgwick 1819 Handsacre, Staffordshire, England - 1900 Sheldon, Solihull, Warwickshire
- James Benjamin Sedgwick 1827 Armitage, Staffordshire -
- Thomas Sedgwick 1829 Armitage, Staffordshire - 1835 St Thomas, Birmingham
Children with Elizabeth [?]- Henry Sedgwick 1845 Birmingham, Warwickshire -
- Sarah Jane Sedgwick 1855 Birmingham, Warwickshire -
- Frederick Sedgwick 1857 Birmingham, Warwcikshire -
Children that Elizabeth [?] had prior to Benjamin Sedgwick's 1851 Census Record- Thomas Burdett 1838 Birmingham, Warwickshire
- Henry Burdett 1845 Birmingham, Warwickshire
If I am honest, I believe that both Thomas and Henry are Benjamin Sedgwick's children. I believe that after Thomas Sedgwick between Margaret and Benjamin died in 1835, something happened, whether it was Benjamin cheating or their relationship breaking, I believe that Benjamin got Elizabeth pregnant and gave his deceased son's name to the Elizabeth newborn as he was born shortly after.
There is a Death record of a Benjamin Sedgwick in 1878 in Birmingham, Warwickshire. He is aged 84 which would mark the same year my Benjamin Sedgwick was born. With the added fact I cannot find Benjamin Sedgwick in 1881, I believe this is my ancestor.
The church records I searched regarding a burial were;
- Ashted, St James the Less
- Aston, St Peter and St Paul
- Birmingham, St Bartholomew
- Birmingham, St George
- Birmingham, St Mary
- Birmingham, St Paul
- Birmingham, St Philip
- Birmingham, St Thomas
- Bordesley, Holy Trinity
- Duddeston, St Matthew
- Edgbaston, St Bartholomew
- Erdington, St Barnabas
- Harborne, St Peter
- Hockley, All Saints
- Kings Norton, St Nicolas
- New Street, Christ Church
- Perry Barr, St John the Evangelist
- Quinton, Christ Church
- Saltley, St Saviour
- Selly Oak, St Mary
- Sheldon, St Giles
- Yardley, St Edburgha
Are there any churches that took burials that might not be on Ancestry within Birmingham that I might have missed during the year 1879?
If anyone is able to find any additional information that I could add please feel free to forward me things that will help :)!
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FindMyPast has a transription of this burial
Benjamin Sedgwick
Source Warwickshire, Birmingham Burials, 1836-2010
Burial year 1878
Cemetery Witton Cemetery
Place Birmingham, Witton Cemetery
Family history society contact https://midland-ancestors.shop/BIRM-Cemeteries
Kay
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Thank you very much! I am not sure why I did not think about Witton, Brandwood, Handsworth cemeteries! Normally Birmingham Burials is the first place to look!🤦♂️
If you are able to find any additional information that I dont have but might be on FindMyPast I would be very grateful!
Thank you once again Kay :)
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Hi Andrew
Glad it's of use. I posted all the info on the burial that the site has but you may be able to find out more for this link they provide https://midland-ancestors.shop/BIRM-Cemeteries
Good Luck Kay
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Hi
Had a quick look for your Benjamin Sedgewick on FindMyPast for other stuff.
It looks like a baptism at Armitage which would cover Handsacre.
24 Jan 1796
Benjamin s of William Sidgwick
Siblings Catharina 29.4.1798 ,James 22.3.1801 ,George 24.7.1803,Thomas 23.6.1805 ,John 12.4.1807 and John 29.7.1810.
The others are Sedgwick and the latter ones have a mother Patience.
Possible son William 27.6.1799 at Longdon.
Marriage at Lichfield st Michael 18.8.1793
William Sedgwick and Patience Bradbury of this parish by banns sign and x
Joihn Swan x and Jos Rockford.
Burial at Armitage William Sedgwick Handsacre 21.12.1837 age 69 years
bapt for him as Shidgwick at Armitage 2 July 1769
Patience buried 9.2.1859 at Armitage of Handsacre aged 88 years
Patience appears on the tithe map on Staffordshire name index website D5903/2/1
Patience- croft and hovel used as meadow plot 635 Handsacre 3490 square meters
plot 636 House and garden 1037 sq meters
Her total tithe 10 d as owner occupier.
She also rented plot 887 Broad meadow 2680 sq meters tithe 6d
Son George at plot 641 renting a house and garden 581 sq meters 3 d
On the 1851 she is at Tuppenhurst Lane Armitage with her son James
James 50 ag lab Armitage
Mary 50 Bromeshall
Benjamin son 18 Armitage
Patience lodger widow 81 Hammerwich
It looks like Margaret Sedgwick ,Benjamins first wife was also buried at Witton in Sep 1876 age 79 years.
Hope that helps
Ciderdrinker
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Hi Ciderdrinker, Thank you for your very detailed FindMyPast look up!
I have not been able to find this information on Ancestry! I have seen other trees had mentioned it however I don't like to copy other tree's as you come across so much wrong information. I once found an 'ancestor' who had died at 110 years old by following other trees. It turns out that the actual ancestor died aged 79 haha. So I only use this information as a rough guide and then do my own research upon them.
Was the information you found in relation to details found on another tree or were these records that FindMyPast had itself? I know FindMyPast seems to have a lot more information that Ancestry does not seem to have for some reason. I might have to set up an account with them one day.
Regarding the Baptism record in Armitage on 24 Jan 1796, why do you think Benjamin put his birthplace as Handsworth, Staffordshire in two census records? I believe you are right personally and always believe this record did belong to my ancestor however I couldn't cement it.
Thank you for his siblings. I don't believe I have ever seen these before but have noted them!
Regarding the part you mention,
"Patience appears on the tithe map on Staffordshire name index website D5903/2/1
Patience- croft and hovel used as meadow plot 635 Handsacre 3490 square meters
plot 636 House and garden 1037 sq meters
Her total tithe 10 d as owner occupier.
She also rented plot 887 Broad meadow 2680 sq meters tithe 6d"
What does this mean please? I have never come across this.
I really do appreciate your help also Ciderdrinker. I am really drawn into the Sedgwick side of the family. I still feel I need to do more digging on them, so I have been printing off as many records I can find and putting them in individual packets for safekeeping and to get a better understanding of their lives.
I feel sorry for Benjamin's first wife, my 5th Great Grandmother, Margaret Yeomans. To lose her son, Thomas, then to lose her husband to a younger woman not long after and watch him create a new family. I can't imagine how that would have been on her. Although I have not done much research on her, I plan to in the very near future. I'm hoping I find a better lifestyle for her.
Hi
Had a quick look for your Benjamin Sedgewick on FindMyPast for other stuff.
It looks like a baptism at Armitage which would cover Handsacre.
24 Jan 1796
Benjamin s of William Sidgwick
Siblings Catharina 29.4.1798 ,James 22.3.1801 ,George 24.7.1803,Thomas 23.6.1805 ,John 12.4.1807 and John 29.7.1810.
The others are Sedgwick and the latter ones have a mother Patience.
Possible son William 27.6.1799 at Longdon.
Marriage at Lichfield st Michael 18.8.1793
William Sedgwick and Patience Bradbury of this parish by banns sign and x
Joihn Swan x and Jos Rockford.
Burial at Armitage William Sedgwick Handsacre 21.12.1837 age 69 years
bapt for him as Shidgwick at Armitage 2 July 1769
Patience buried 9.2.1859 at Armitage of Handsacre aged 88 years
Patience appears on the tithe map on Staffordshire name index website D5903/2/1
Patience- croft and hovel used as meadow plot 635 Handsacre 3490 square meters
plot 636 House and garden 1037 sq meters
Her total tithe 10 d as owner occupier.
She also rented plot 887 Broad meadow 2680 sq meters tithe 6d
Son George at plot 641 renting a house and garden 581 sq meters 3 d
On the 1851 she is at Tuppenhurst Lane Armitage with her son James
James 50 ag lab Armitage
Mary 50 Bromeshall
Benjamin son 18 Armitage
Patience lodger widow 81 Hammerwich
It looks like Margaret Sedgwick ,Benjamins first wife was also buried at Witton in Sep 1876 age 79 years.
Hope that helps
Ciderdrinker
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Hello
Sorry to not get back to you earlier but I'm not online at home and with the holidays everywhere has been shut.
Yes all the information except that about the tithe taxes was from Find My Past.
The tithe was a land tax gathered locally to pay a 1/10th of your income to the Church or the parish to cover it's expenses and pay for the poor.
In the 1830s when the common fields were enclosed and the strips of land farmed in the common fields where amalgamated into one holding per person tithe maps were made and a list of owener and occupiers was made for each parish.For staffordshire the lists of oweners and occupiers of the land is on the Staffordshire name index website.It gives a general date for the whole collection of 1835-1845,but each parish would have been done seperately.
The list is available to search for free.
The map showing you where she lived is available here:-
www.search.staffspasttrack.org.uk/Details.aspx?&ResourceID=42310&PageIndex=1&SearchType=2&ThemeID=774
The plots are at 3 o'clock on the map at the edge of the parish.
I'm sorry but it is very difficult to use their free search but they do want you to buy the map.
As for the census you may wish to consider that the image we see was a transcript of the form Ben would have filled and written out again by the enumorator.
How much room was there in the original box for birthplace? Was the last bit cut off or squeezed in making it Hands?.Was Ben's handwritting difficult to read.Was the enumorator tired at the end of a long day and just went with a place he had heard of?
1871 is Handsacre,1861 is Handsworth,1851 he is the lodger so on theory Elizabeth Burdett filled in the form,could she write or was she just telling the enumorator who wrote down what he thought he heard? 1841 it's yes Warwickshire.So was the question just -do you come from Birmingham and he said yes because he lived there?
It looks like Margaret Yeomans was born in Ashbourne/Brailsford Derbyshire
You probably already have the 1871 census with Margaret lodging in Ryland Road Edgbaston age 75 born Ashbourne Derbyshire with an Elizabeth Green widow age 53 and in 1851 also at Ryland Road vister age 55 tailor born Brelsford? Derbyshire with Benjamin Bailey 61 coal dealer from Chesterfield ,his wife Elizabeth 60 from Worksop and child Thomas 34 and d in law Elizaabeth 29.
1861 she is Ryland Road again lodging with an Elizabeth Blyth widow 81 laudress born Birmingham and her widowed daughter Elizabeth Green aged 43
Margaret Yeomans bapt Brailsford d of John and Sussanna 20 May 1796. perhaps but there are other alternatives.
(Just in case you don't have it )
Ciderdrinker
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Hi Cider, Thank you for your message again. Once again very detailed!
I never manage to find Margaret on the 1861 census, still unable to via Ancestry at the moment although you have given me the road name! :-X I will continue to look, but thank you for giving me the information I never had!
Margaret in the 1851 Census living with Benjamin is her daughter-in-law's father. Margaret and Ben had a son called William Sedgwick. He married Hannah Bailey. Benjamin Bailey is Hannahs's father. It seems like Margaret never really had a place to herself after the disruption of her married life but was kind of cared for by her children.
I love the way of your thinking regarding the different possible causes for having Hands (worth/acre). I believe you are right with it.
I managed to find the plot numbers after following the River Trent and matching it with today's map and located the area of where Patience lived. It looks so peaceful!
Thank you for getting back to me regardless of how long it takes! It wasnt even that long ago ;D
Regards
Andrew
Hello
Sorry to not get back to you earlier but I'm not online at home and with the holidays everywhere has been shut.
Yes all the information except that about the tithe taxes was from Find My Past.
The tithe was a land tax gathered locally to pay a 1/10th of your income to the Church or the parish to cover it's expenses and pay for the poor.
In the 1830s when the common fields were enclosed and the strips of land farmed in the common fields where amalgamated into one holding per person tithe maps were made and a list of owener and occupiers was made for each parish.For staffordshire the lists of oweners and occupiers of the land is on the Staffordshire name index website.It gives a general date for the whole collection of 1835-1845,but each parish would have been done seperately.
The list is available to search for free.
The map showing you where she lived is available here:-
www.search.staffspasttrack.org.uk/Details.aspx?&ResourceID=42310&PageIndex=1&SearchType=2&ThemeID=774
The plots are at 3 o'clock on the map at the edge of the parish.
I'm sorry but it is very difficult to use their free search but they do want you to buy the map.
As for the census you may wish to consider that the image we see was a transcript of the form Ben would have filled and written out again by the enumorator.
How much room was there in the original box for birthplace? Was the last bit cut off or squeezed in making it Hands?.Was Ben's handwritting difficult to read.Was the enumorator tired at the end of a long day and just went with a place he had heard of?
1871 is Handsacre,1861 is Handsworth,1851 he is the lodger so on theory Elizabeth Burdett filled in the form,could she write or was she just telling the enumorator who wrote down what he thought he heard? 1841 it's yes Warwickshire.So was the question just -do you come from Birmingham and he said yes because he lived there?
It looks like Margaret Yeomans was born in Ashbourne/Brailsford Derbyshire
You probably already have the 1871 census with Margaret lodging in Ryland Road Edgbaston age 75 born Ashbourne Derbyshire with an Elizabeth Green widow age 53 and in 1851 also at Ryland Road vister age 55 tailor born Brelsford? Derbyshire with Benjamin Bailey 61 coal dealer from Chesterfield ,his wife Elizabeth 60 from Worksop and child Thomas 34 and d in law Elizaabeth 29.
1861 she is Ryland Road again lodging with an Elizabeth Blyth widow 81 laudress born Birmingham and her widowed daughter Elizabeth Green aged 43
Margaret Yeomans bapt Brailsford d of John and Sussanna 20 May 1796. perhaps but there are other alternatives.
(Just in case you don't have it )
Ciderdrinker
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Hi
The 1861 for Margaret on Ancestry is as Margret Segwick 65 born Derby Derbyshire
piece 2123 ,folio 87,page 32
Hope that helps
Ciderdrinker
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Hi again
I realised I hadn't given you the parent of William Shidgwick baptised at Armitage in 1769.
His father is William
Siblings John bapt 21.11.1757-22.12.1757,John 4.3.1759,Mary 26.9.1762 ,Catherine 23.3.1767 d of William and Elizabeth buried,then your William 2nd July 1769 .
There is a possible burial for William senior across at Kings Bromley just over the parish border 3.1.1802 and for an Elizabeth 2.1.1814 age 84 years .
Nearest marriage is at Stafford st Mary.
William Sedgwick otp labourer and Elizabeth Corbett of Wolverhampton by banns 18.7.1756 .Both made a x and witnesses Phillip See Kegan and J Been.
If you think that's right then it may be that William's father is a Benjamin Sedgwick locksmith who moved from Wolverhampton to Kings Bromley ,with William being born in Wolverhampton 16.3.1728 .
Benjamin had at least 3 wives -Catherine Turner 9.11.1724 Wolverhampton,Sarah Wooley age 30 of Kings Bromley no 2 28.8.1736 at Wolverhampton .(by licence on FindMyPast) .no3,locksmth of Kings Bromley widower and Ann Porter of St Michaels Lichfield again by licence 27.9.1764 (FindMyPast ) wit John Sedgwick.
Benjamin died and was buried at Kings Bromley .10.4.1772
He left a Will on FindMyPast. William as the younger son got Ģ1 1 shilling.
I can give you more on him if you want.
Sorry if I went on a bit I get carried away .
See what you think
Ciderdrinker
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I have saved the above information just in case so I appreciate your efforts and the time you have committed to helping me try and find these.
I will take some steps now to go to the Archives and see if I can find out any more information which could help me point them to Kings Bromley :)
I wish you all that best! :)
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Benjamin Sedgwick the locksmith who died in 1772 in Kings Bromley was baptised in 1702 in Lichfield, the son of John Sedgwick. He had a sister Elizabeth baptised in Lichfield 1698 and brother John, baptised in Lichfield 1705.
A John Sedgwick married Anne Brewood in 1697 in Lichfield(prob bpt 1673 Lichfield daughter of Nicholas Brewood who apparently married Elizabeth Smith 1663 Lichfield)- so I believe these are Benjamin's parents.
John's two sons were apprenticed- both details are on FindMyPast/Ancestry- Benjamin (Sedgewick) to William Smith, locksmith of Wolverhampton in 1715, John (Sidgewick)to John Parker, tailor of Lichfield in 1717.
Benjamin married Catherine Turner in 1724 in Wolverhampton, their children were John 1725-84 William 1728-1801 (my 6ggrandfather) and Frances 1733,all bpt Wolverhampton.
Catherine died 1733 in Wolverhampton, Benjamin married Sarah Wolley 1736 in Lichfield, -no issue she was buried Kings Bromley 1756.
Benjamin then married Ann Porter 1764 in Lichfield and they had Benjamin 1765-1789 bpt Kings Bromley who married Elizabeth Bonnell in 1786.
Benjamin's 1772 will leaves land in Kings Bromley to his son John and mentions his son William,daughter Frances Barber and his son Benjamin (by Ann Porter)
Benjamin's 1702-1774 eldest son John married Hannah Reynoldson 1763 in Kings Bromley. They had no children,and his will, written in 1782 passed his land (inherited from his father Benjamin) in Kings Bromley first to his widow Hannah for life, then to his brother William for his life, and then to William's eldest son John bpt 1759 Armitage d1848 Kings Bromley = Ann Silvester 1782 Burton upon Trent.
John's younger brother William 1728-1801 married Elizabeth Corbett in 1756 in Stafford. Their children were John b &d 1757 Armitage , John bpt 1759 Armitage d 1848 Kings Bromley, Catherine d 1767 Armitage,Mary bpt 1762 Armitage, William 1769 -1837 (armitage) and Thomas 1773- 1843 Armitage.
William inherited his elder brother John's land on the passing of his sister-in-law Hannah in 1793. In William's will of 1801 in Kings Bromley, he mentions his widow Elizabeth and his estate is then to pass to his son Thomas and his daugther Mary Bird. He states that his sons John and William had already been provided for (John would receive the Kings Bromley land that had been willed in William's elder brother's will).
This is where a problem in the records that has taken a very long time for us to work out and resolve:
of the baptisms of John, John, William ,Mary and Thomas, no mother is mentioned except in the case of Thomas whose parents are listed as William and Ann Sedgwick. After further research I have concluded that "Ann" is a mistake made by the priest or clerk. These are my reasons:
-There is no record of a marriage of a William Sedgwick to an Ann that would fit.
-William's stepmother Ann, who was only one year older than William would in all likelihood have been present at the christening and this may be how the mistake arose.
-The burial record of Catherine in 1767 lists her parents as William and Elizabeth- (although there is no baptism record for her).
-The 1801 will of William Sedgwick names his wife Elizabeth and the living children as John, William, Mary (Bird) and Thomas
So I think this is conclusive. Further research has shown that the area farmed by John Sedgwick 1725-84 his brother William 1728-1801,and William's son John 1759-1848 in Kings Bromley was in fact pretty much adjacent to the Tuppenhurst Farm in Armitage that was farmed by William's second son William 1769-1837, grandson James 1801-1862 and great-grandson Benjamin 1832-1905 (my 3ggrandfather). The farm was sold in 1915 after the death of Benjamin's widow Mary.
William Sedgwick 1769-1837 (my 5 gggrandfather) and his wife (married 1793 Lichfield) Patience Bradbury who appears to have been born Hammerwich 1770 as Patience Mottram ,the daughter of William Mottram and Mary Bradbury (and who for reasons unknown appears to have married William using her mother's maiden name), were the parents of:
William 1794 bpt Stonall = Harriett Waltho 1827 Kings Bromley
Benjamin 1796 (your 5ggrandfather)
Catherine bpt 1798 Armitage d prob 1863 =Samuel Wilcox 1815 Armitage
James bpt 1801 Armitage d 1862 Armitgae = Mary Pool 1827 Armitage (my 4ggranfather)
George bpt 1803 Armitage d 1869 Kings Bromley = Ann Skater Sutton 1827 Colton
Thomas bpt 1805 Armitage = Mary Hall 1823 Armitage
John 1807-1807
John bpt 1810 Armitage d 1886 Wolverhampton = Sarah Roberts 1838 Armitage
So the above is how I have interpreted all the above information that I have found in terms of wills, vital records, apprenticeships. A 3rd or 4th cousin of mine had first proposed on Ancestry that Benjamin Sedgwick originally of Lichfield 1702-1774 was the father of William Sedgwick 1728-1801 and that the latter had married Elizabeth Corbett and not in fact an unknown Ann. At first I didn't believe it as for decades we believed William married an Ann, but having looked and re-looked at all the evidence I am convinced that she is right although there might be a minor detail here or there that we disagree on . The evidence of the locksmith apprenticeship of Benjamin in Wolverhampton is compelling, particularly seen in tandem with his 1772 Kings Bromley will where he declares himself to be a locksmith.
I'm happy to clarify anything particularly if you can't find the docs.