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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: Jytefas on Monday 27 December 21 17:00 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Looking for some assistance/guidance in tracking down my Great Grand aunt Julia (Johanna) Doyle (nee Kavanagh).
Julia Kavanagh was born on the 17 Jan 1840 in Rathpierce, Ballyfad, Co. Wexford, Ireland. Parents are Patrick Kavanagh & Mary Kilbride. Julia’s siblings are Patrick, Margaret, Bridget, James (My Great Grandfather), Thomas and Ellen. Ellen and husband Walter Lawless also emigrated to the USA arriving in New York on the 19 Nov 1869, and settling in Kankakee, Illinois.
Julia married Patrick Doyle of Island, Craanford, Co. Wexford, Ireland on the 26 Jan 1869 in Craanford Catholic Church. Julia & Patrick emigrated to the USA from Liverpool on board the ship ERIN, Manifest ID No. 00031085 arriving in New York on the 15th Mar 1869. Afraid that is where the trail dries up.
I have searched through the US Census 1870, 1880, 1890 & 1900 to no avail :'(
Can anyone see them anywhere or suggest where else I might look. I wondered if they might have made their way to Canada :-\
Any help will be gratefully received. :)
Many thanks in advance.
John G.
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The bride's name on the image you have looks like Judy rather than Julia. Maybe she went by another name? There is a birth record of a son in Co. Wexford born to a Patrick Doyle & Judith Kavanaugh. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG65-C72?q.fatherGivenName=patrick&q.fatherSurname=doyle&q.motherGivenName=judy&q.motherSurname=kavanaugh Not sure if it's a match, but maybe they returned to Ireland?
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Thanks Shelly,
Her name is given as Johanna on her birth cert, On the Marriage cert above it is written as Judy in the name/surname section. Below in the field "This marriage was solemnized between us" her name is written as Julia. Three months after the marriage, On the ship passenger list is a Julia Doyle with husband Patrick are sailing for New York on the Ship Erin.
I have searched all available Irish BMD and Census records but no mention. Her younger sister Ellen and Husband Walter Lawless also emigrated to the USA a family I have located and in constant contact with.
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There is a marriage in New Ross, 1865 for the Rathgeran couple - just to discount them.
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I have searched through the US Census 1870, 1880, 1890 & 1900 to no avail :'(
NOTE: Most of the 1890 census population schedules were badly damaged by a fire in the Commerce Department Building in January 1921. Fragments of the 1890 census exist only for the states of Alabama, District of Columbia, Georgia, Illinois, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, South Dakota, and Texas.
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There is a marriage in New Ross, 1865 for the Rathgeran couple - just to discount them.
Father's names is given as Edward.
Johanna, (Judy Julia) father is Patrick and mother is Mary Kilbride, both from Cummer which is north of the county on the Wexford/Wicklow border.
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Thanks Hillhurst, I wasent aware of that, I will spend more time on the 1900 returns so.
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Is it possible to view/purchase naturalization papers online, or do I need to be a US citizen to do that?
Regards
John G.
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Some Naturalisation records are on Ancestry, but you'd need to have the subscription which allows access to US records.
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If you would like to give us a name and some details John we can have a look to see what there is.
Sandra
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I've been having a quick search for Patrick and Julia in the USA (1870 onwards) but they are very common names. So you really need something extra to go on. Probably a Naturalisation record for Patrick, etc.
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The early naturalization records don't give a lot of information. This is the type of information those early ones might give you :-
Surname - Residence
Birth date - Age
Date certificate issued
Court issued at - Petition or declaration number
Volume and page numbers
Former Nationality
The states whose records are currently included in the database U.S., Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1992 are Alaska, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Montana, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, New York, Tennessee, Washington, and Vermont.
Sandra
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Have you located the obituaries for Walter Lawless and Ellen Kavanagh Lawless to see if the mention her sister and husband ?
Sandra
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You may already have this - Find A Grave shows the deaths and burials
Walter Lawless - 1833 - 1902
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/115192410/walter-lawless
Ellen Kavanaugh Lawless - 1838 - 1925
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/115192433/ellen-lawless
and son Anthony T. Lawless - 1871 - 1959
Burial - Mount Olivet Cemetery Braidwood, Will County, Illinois
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/115192481/anthony-t-lawless
Sandra
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Sometimes families who immigrated stay in the same vicinity, have you scrolled thru the 1880 census to see if you see Patrick and Judy/Julia in Kankakee, Illinois, perhaps mistranscribed ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MXV3-Q62
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GYBM-H3G?i=9&cc=1417683&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AMXV3-Q62
Sadra
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Many thanks Sandra for the previous posts. I have quite a lot of info on the Illinois Lawless family, BMD certs, Census, newspaper Obituaries etc, but no mention of Patrick & Julie. I have spoken to older descendants of the Lawless family and again they have no recollection of them.... is a strange one.
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The Lawless angle would be exhausted then. :-\ What about the other siblings, have you traced those ?
Sandra
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Interestingly...there is a Julia Doyle (age 5 months) residing with Walter & Ann (sic) Lawless in the 1870 census in Kankakee, Illinois. Obviously relationships aren't given in the 1870 census, but could she be the daughter of Patrick & Julia? Her birthdate is Dec 1869. Birthplace: Illinois.
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There are some sources for naturalization records/indexes aside from Ancestry, but it typically helps to know what state or area you're looking in. Some various links here - https://www.germanroots.com/naturalization.html
Do you have the name of Patrick Doyle's mother?
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Have traced them all Sandra, the remaining siblings stayed in Ireland. The only definitive info I have on Julie is her Birth & Marriage cert. I cannot say for certain that the Patrick and Julie appearing in the ship manifest three months following marriage is my ancesters. I have spend years trying to locate them in Ireland & England but not a mention.
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1880 census: Probably just a red herring, but there's a Julia Doyle (age 38, widow) residing with daughter Julia (age 9) in Little Rock, Arkansas. Mother is from Ireland. Daughter born in Illinois.
Also, see my Reply #17 for young Julia Doyle with the Lawless family.
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Hillhurst.... wow that is a big breakthrough, that has got to be their daughter. Patrick & Julia were married in Jan 1869.
Many thanks again to everyone, much appreciated :)
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Thanks a mill for those links Shelly, much appreciated! Julia's mother is Mary. Afraid I don't have a surname for her.... Cheers Jonn G.
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From family search: There is a death record for a Patrick Doyle correct age (and 10 years in Illinois) in Cook County Illinois in February 1879.
There is also a death record for a Julia Doyle very close to correct age in Cook County Illinois in 1913. She was a widow and the informants name was Julia Mayfield.
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Thanks culbaire, all this is very helpful!
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Julia Doyle on FIND A GRAVE
1840 - 1913
Calvary Cemetery Evanston, Cook County, Illinois.
PLOT Sec A, BL 1, Lot 34
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/230337571/julia-doyle
Julia Mayfield - 1866 - 1948
Calvary Cemetery Evanston, Cook County, Illinois.
PLOT Sec A, BL 1, Lot 34
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/230337574/julia-mayfield
Sandra
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Timeline for Julia Doyle (nee Kavanagh_ Born 17 Jan 1840
(Hope this table behaves when I post it)
Very confident detail 1 to 6 is accurate. Will order Death certificates for Patrick & Julia to see if parents are listed. Again a big thank you to everyone who assisted, very much appreciated
01 1840 01 17 7th of eight children born to Patrick and Mary Kavanagh (nee Kilbride) Rathpierce
02 1864 05 24 Bridesmaid for her sister Margaret’s marriage to James Keegan, Ballylusk. Best man was Michael Berney.
03 1869 01 26 Married Patrick son of Martin & Mary Doyle Island, Craanford on the 26 Jan 1869 in Craanford Church. Witnessed by Patrick Doyle & Mary O’Brien
04 1869 03 15 Emigrated to the USA from Liverpool Port on board the ship ERIN, Manifest ID No. 00031085. Arriving in New York on the 15 Mar 1869
05 1869 11 19 July’s sister Ellen & husband Walter Lawless emigrated to the USA from Liverpool Port on board the ship MINNESOTA, Manifest No: 00030992. arriving in New York on the 19th Nov 1868.
06 1870 06 01 United States Census, 1870 Illinois Kankakee Essex, a Julia Doyle aged 5 months (Born Dec 1869) listed with the Lawless Family, Kankakee.
07 1879 02 26 Death of Patrick Doyle aged 32, Chicago, Cook, Illinois. Interred Calvary Cemetery
08 1880 06 01 United States Census, 1880 Arkansas Pulaski Little Rock ED 144: Julia Doyle Widow aged 38 and daughter Julia Doyle born Illinois aged 9.
09 1913 09 05 Death of Julia Doyle aged 73, of 550 Fullerton Pkwa, Chicago, Cook, Illinois, Interred Calvary Cemetery, Plot Sec A, BL 1, Lot 34. Informant Julia Mayfield.
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Thank for that Sandra, so Julia Doyle and dau Julia Mayfield are interred in the same plot.
Kind regards
John
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Yes, also John Mayfield who died 1932.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/230337572/john-mayfield
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2M8-Z19B
Chicago Tribune Chicago, Illinois 14 Apr 1948, Wed Page 20
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/91308084/obituary-for-m-afield-julia-mayfield/
Sandra
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Julia Mayfield - 12 April 1948 Chicago Cook Illinois
Father Michael Doyle ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2MZ-V26K
Sandra
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Illinois, U.S., Deaths and Stillbirths Index, 1916-1947
John G. Mayfield
Birth Date 3 Jul 1864 Chicago, Illinois - aged 68 years. Married.
Death Date 21 Nov 1932 Chicago, Cook Co , Illinois
Burial Date 25 Nov 1932 Evanston, Cook Co., Ill
Cemetery Name Calvery
Occupation: Artist/Western Photo Co
Street Address: 2612 Blaine St - Residence Ward 95B
Father Name John Mayfield Chicago, Illinois
Mother Birth Place Chicago, Illinois
Spouse Name: Julia Doyle Mayfield
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2M8-Z19B
Sandra
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Wonder if that is a typo, Sandra. Fathers name should be Patrick. Found another match for John Mayfield https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N3W5-ZMY
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I added that one to reply 28 but also printed in the reply above in case you missed it. :)
Sandra
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Sandra, if I purchase US Death certs, besides cause of death etc, am I likly to obtain any additional info to what is posted above?
Cheers
John
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I would think that was the majority of the information, which would only be as good as the informants knowledge. I wonder who Marion Baker was ? Friend perhaps ? Or relative ?
Sandra
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Haven't come across that name before, so your guess is as good as mine :)
Regards
John
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Hmmm and there are lots of them......... :-\
Sandra
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Did Patrick Doyle have a middle name. There is a P J Doyle buried 1889 Calvary Cemetery
Evanston, Cook County, Illinois ?
Calvary Cemetery Evanston, Cook County, Illinois.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/135727674/p-j-doyle
Illinois US Select Deaths
P J Doyle abt 1849 - 8 May 1889 Chicago. Cook Illinois.
Aged 40 Years.
Sandra
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The Julia Doyle in 1913 is probably not the one you are looking for. Informant was Julia Mayfield. A Julia B Doyle married a JG Mayfield in 1913. Her parents were given as James Doyle and Julia Burns. There is a James Doyle died in 1875 with same grave reference Section A, Bl 1 Lot 34 as Julia Doyle, Julia Mayfield and John Mayfield
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Sure is a lot of 'Head-scratching' in this one culbaire :D
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I think the Doyle folks in Chicago are a red herring. Mother Julia is a widow by 1870, so Patrick has passed away somewhere - perhaps Illinois or Arkansas.
This is where the 1890 census would've come in handy, but most of it no longer exists. Daughter Julia could be married and living somewhere else by the 1900 census - if indeed she was still alive. Same for her mother. They could've moved on from Little Rock after 1870.
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I agree Hillhurst, it’s back to the drawing board, I wouldn’t mind but everything was fitting in so nicely there for a while. Nevertheless, great progress has been made since posting this thread and it’s thanks to everyone who contributed.
Much appreciated!
John
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The names are quite common, lots of combinations to search through. :-\
Sandra