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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Mr Bish on Saturday 18 December 21 06:04 GMT (UK)
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Hi.
My Great great Grandfather Frederick Dean b c1848 has been hard to nail down on his origins, What I know is that he married Johanna Corbell b 1854 in Cherry Gardens in 1876 , on his Marriage certificate it says he was born in Liverpool and his fathers names was James Dean. Frederick couldn't write and he signed his name with an x , I have found nothing to confirm this, family folklore says Fred spent his early years in the Victorian goldfields. I've come across a Frederick Dean in N.S.W in 1870 who fits the same age who is said to have came out to Aust. aboard the ship called Essex . Can anyone get a hold of this Passenger list to see when he got here and who he travelled with and where he came from ? this would be greatly Appreciated.
Regards
Mr Bish
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I've come across a Frederick Dean in N.S.W in 1870 who fits the same age who is said to have came out to Aust. aboard the ship called Essex .
That looks as if it is 1867 voyage for ESSEX, if you are looking at the 1870 criminal record. Frederick’s occupation is recorded as “groom”.
ADDED- I could not see any Dean arriving on any voyage of the ESSEX into Melbourne.
However ….
There is a seven year old Frederick Deane arriving Victoria with his family ,(father named James is an agricultural labourer from Wiltshire), in Jan 1853 onboard STEBONHEATH. It might be worth looking at that record too.
https://prov.vic.gov.au/archive/E28FA191-F1B1-11E9-AE98-A39C9D2AFA57?image=46
This will be the family in the 1851 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGZV-9DR
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Secondary source only so it needs checking ..
PROV may have the ESSEX arriving Melbourne 13 Nov 1863.
I on e reader, so cannot do live link, sorry.
JM
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Have not been able to find a Frederick Dean with father James on either the UK 1851 or 1861 census.
I have also not found a birth registration for a Frederick Dean in Liverpool between 1840 and 1855, though there were 7 in the Manchester area, but none that look likely to be your Frederick
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In case you don't have it. The will of Frederick Deane
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSGG-49P1-W?cc=3007557&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A78JV-F5PZ
There is a seven year old Frederick Deane arriving Victoria with his family ,(father named James is an agricultural labourer from Wiltshire), in Jan 1853 onboard STEBONHEATH.
This could be the death of the mother of this family.
DEATH (Victoria)
Elizabeth DEAN
Place of birth - WILT
Spouse at death - DEAN, James
Age 55
Parents’ names unknown
Year 1876
Reg. 4269/1876
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I have looked into Fred and James Deane who came from Wiltshire but when I found Fred on the census he was listed as a scholar and My Fred didn't read or write , I ruled this one out.
I couldn't find anything to match his birth in Liverpool U.K. either maybe he was born in Liverpool Sydney ? But I think Fred might have told a few porkies on his Marriage Certificate as none of his sons have James in his name which is rare for the time ( maybe he had something to hide ).
Regards
Mr Bish
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Apart from his X mark on the 1876 marriage in South Australia, what other evidence do you have that he was not able to write.... I ask this because making their mark does not always point to people not yet knowing how to write.... Clergy could have said 'Sign here' OR Clergy could have said 'Make your Mark here'. Did the witnesses sign? Did the bride sign? Was Frederick the only one to make his X mark...
JM
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I have looked into Fred and James Deane who came from Wiltshire but when I found Fred on the census he was listed as a scholar and My Fred didn't read or write , I ruled this one out.
Not a good enough reason to rule him out, in my opinion. :)
The census shows him as 5 years old and at school. By the end of the following year he was travelling to Australia where he probably never had anymore school education. So this Fred might have had 1 year of school between ages 5 and 6. That is not enough schooling to learn to read and write, especially if one’s parents were not educated. His father James was an agricultural labourer, so quite unlikely that he could read and write.
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This could be the death of the mother of this family.
DEATH (Victoria)
Elizabeth DEAN
Place of birth - WILT
Spouse at death - DEAN, James
Age 55
Parents’ names unknown
Year 1876
Reg. 4269/1876
This record should give a reliable answer to the standard question posed in Victoria... "How Long in the Colony/ies", while it does NOT give the names of her parents, it does name her husband. I suggest he would have known that answer... And he would also be able to nominate when and where he married, the names & ages of their then living children and the gender of any who had already succumbed.
The image of that record is downloadable immediately from Vic BDM. Around $20 Au.
ADD they are on special for $15 each at the moment :) :) :)
https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/research-and-family-history/search-your-family-history
JM
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Obit for Frederick Dean.
As I read it, he was a child or youth on the Victorian goldfields. This suggests he arrived in Australia quite young. Would be interested in other opinions….
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/202435928?searchTerm=“Frederick%20Dean”
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Good find Neale.
1908 - 60 = 1848 likely year of birth
1908 - 20 = 1888 likely move to Millicent
Gold Rushes commence in both NSW and Vic in 1851 - so very possible immigrant as a young child with his parent/s in 1853 from Wiltshire.
Re learning to read and write - Often family history buffs discard the non-religious benefits of Sunday Schools frequently taught reading and writing to those attending classes, on Sundays and sometimes on other days of the week too. Also, often on those long voyages to the colonies from Britain, the Ship's Captain and or Surgeon and or various leading passengers would use the spare time to hold classes in reading, writing, numbers, sewing, knitting, etc...
I can read that newspaper cutting both ways - childhood and also as a young adult even say to mid 30s...
JM
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This obituary for wife Johanna further supports the find of the death n 1908 of Frederick Dean as posted by Neale
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/77994161
Sue
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Johanna's obit says she lived in Millicent for all of the 62 years since her marriage which suggests that Frederick would have been in Millicent by 1875, leaving Victoria at least by then, when he was aged abt 27.
Judith
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There are quite a few threads started by various RChatters about Frederick & Johanna ..... including from our current OP.
We may be duplicating info provided previously. ::)
JM
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There are quite a few threads started by various RChatters about Frederick & Johanna ..... including from our current OP.
We may be duplicating info provided previously. ::)
JM
Well, perhaps we can leave it to to Mr Bish to take the time in filtering and sorting the existing details.
Then maybe they will advise if there are specific gaps.
Sue
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Thanks everyone for your help , I think maybe I should look a bit harder into the James Dean Wiltshire connection , I might have ruled it out to early.
Thanks
Mr Bish.