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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Matherino on Thursday 16 December 21 12:30 GMT (UK)
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Hello
Have come across a suicide taking place in Elswick, Newcastle in 1927. Death was registered in Elswick and death certificate mentions inquest taking place the day after the death. Anyhow, my question is about the inquest. Will the inquest records from that time still be retained, if so where would they be held (Woodhorn, TWA) and can they be obtained?
Thanks in advance.
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Hey Matherino,
Do you have the name of the person? There may be newspaper records.
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Hello Kenny.
His name was Edward Bainbridge but I have checked the Newspapers without a thing showing. I know how he died from his death certificate but was curious as to just what more the coroner's inquest might reveal hence my query about obtaining such.
Thanks.
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I have checked the Newspapers without a thing showing.
Try searching with just the man's address and/or coroner's name. If newspaper OCR text has garbled the man's name, it might be the reason you can't locate a newspaper mention (if it exists).
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What was the exact date of death, please?
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It is a shame you have not supplied exact date of death. I have just finished work and I am in Newcastle now. If you can come back online within next 10 minutes I will be able to look at a newspaper which may not be showing online.
My work hours do not always fit in with the library opening hours (library opening hours are reduced now) so if you do not come back online in time hopefully someone else might check for you..
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Sorry, I have remained in Newcastle as long as I could but now I must get going unfortunately :-\
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Sorry for not posting earlier but was working so missed your replies. Thank you all. I've played round with the newspaper search using the address and coroner's name but still found nothing. His actual date of death was 10th May 1927, died at 74 James Street in Elswick. The coroner's name was Alfred Appleby (pops up in a lot of searches for the time frame "Sir Alfred Appleby, City Coroner" but just not in connection to my person) and the inquest was on 11th May as per the death certificate. Am still wondering about where the inquest records might be held and if in existence, are they available?
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Am still wondering about where the inquest records might be held and if in existence, are they available?
See this document for guidance: https://northumberlandarchives.com/docs/CORONERS%20RECORDS%20reviewed%20Nov%202017.pdf
"Inquest Reports 1870-1948 --
For the early period between 1870 and 1935 only a sample of the reports for each
year has survived. The reports are listed and indexed up to 1946. Should the report
in which you are interested not have survived, it is advisable to check back issues of
local newspapers for the period, as inquests were often reported in detail".
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I believe the records for Newcastle City inquests are not at Northumberland Archives but at Tyne & Wear Archives.
However, T&W's own pdf guide is not encouraging as regards which records actually survive ...
https://twarchives.org.uk/files/7081-law-and-order.pdf
(see pp. 6-7).
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Thanks all and especially Bookbox. It looks like such a record would be held at TWA although like you say it does appear doubtful if records for that particular year have survived. I'll probably get in touch with TWA one way or another to confirm. Thanks again.
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If no one beats me to it, and if my shifts permit and I can catch library opening hours I will try to call back at Newcastle local studies to see if there might be a report of an inquest in a newspaper. It might not be possible, until some point in January now, but I will try.
I think perhaps there possibly could be a report in the Evening Chronicle or the Journal, which may not be online.
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Thank you RTL that is very kind of you.
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I think perhaps there possibly could be a report in the Evening Chronicle or the Journal, which may not be online.
The Journal is online for that date. The edition of 11th May 1927 contains a report on an inquest held on 10th May, but not the one in which Matherino is interested.
Probably the newspaper didn't find it 'interesting' enough to report.
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Parents Robert and Rebecca are buried at Elswick Cemetery in O/437
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1L-43WG-L
So Edward may be buried at Elswick somewhere.
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Thanks for the update. I will check the Evening Chronicle when I can - likely January.
https://www.newcastle.gov.uk/services/libraries-culture/history-and-heritage/online-heritage-enquiries
Just a thought - I think the staff might still be doing free, limited look ups. Matherino, it might be worth you emailing them to ask in if there might be a mention Evening Chronicle a day or two after the date of inquest. Just to confirm if there might be an article or not, ahead of me going to look for one in January.
If they won't check, don't worry I will check when I can - but if they will you might get to find things out sooner.
I will check Elswick burial records for him also, if you like, when I can or you might be able to get this sooner via the free limited research route (using form on link) sooner. Link says they aim to respond in 5 working days. :)
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Hi Matherino
I have had a chance to look at the newspaper tonight ahead of January. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find an article about Edward. There was a death notice which appeared on 11 May 1927 in the Evening Chronicle but the print was very poor and blurred and hard to make out fully. I also checked the following year just in case there might have been a memoriam but there wasn't one.
I have been able to find his burial entry for Elswick Cemetery. The section letter seems ambiguous but I think it might be a T or a J.
I have also added this to Find A Grave - if you are on Find A Grave too, I will be happy to transfer this memorial over to you if you wish.
Merry Christmas.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/235092471/edward-bainbridge?createdMemorial=Yes
Entry 64350
Edward Bainbridge
Burial date 13 May 1927
Male
24 years
Place where death occurred: 74 James Street
Mode of burial: Earth
Removed from St Aidan's Parish
Ceremony by Rhys (J?) Richards
Unconsecrated Section (T? or J? perhaps - ambiguous) Grave No 212
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Well done, RTL.
Graves registers on FS confirm that Edward is buried in T 212.
Mary Laurence Ramsbottom, 79, buried same grave in 1993.
Doubtless Matherino will be able to find that entry.
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Oh that's great that you have been able to follow things up on FS. :) Thanks Jon, that will surely be helpful for Matherino. I have now updated FAG with section and plot now this is verified for certain re section.
It is puzzling that there was no mention in newspaper about the incident. There was a mention around that time about a suicide committed by someone else.
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Well done, RTL.
Graves registers on FS confirm that Edward is buried in T 212.
Mary Laurence Ramsbottom, 79, buried same grave in 1993.
Doubtless Matherino will be able to find that entry.
and just in case Matherino can't find it, this is the page:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1L-33QM-F?i=719&cat=828351
Boo
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My post was really directed to RTL.
Of course I would have given the link had Matherino responded to Reply #14
Horrible, aren't I!
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My post was really directed to RTL.
Of course I would have given the link had Matherino responded to Reply #14
Horrible, aren't I!
lol, not at all horrible :-) I just reckoned that (as a lot do) someone may spot this post in years to come and may not have a clue about how to check the graves registers.
We struggled with them for so long in here it nearly drove us crazy (ier).
Boo