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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Llanfihangel on Tuesday 14 December 21 07:55 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I have this record for a marriage in Bergavenny ((Abergavenny) I can't make out the place where Anne Morgan came from. Capella (?) something.
It might not be anywhere near Abergavenny, it sounds English (Herefordshire?) but it is really odd!
Please help, I am always grateful for any advice!
Cheers,
Llanfi :) :) :) :) :) :)
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Looks like Cappolla??
See you are researching Prosser as well so am I.
Suzy
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Could it be some anglicised incorrect spelling or lteral colloquial spelling of "Cae Pella" in which the e is dropped in the word Cae. Cae pella could be the name of a dwelling. Cae means field and pella means furthest.
There is a Coed Cae Pella near Llandegveth https://historicplacenames.rcahmw.gov.uk/placenames/recordedname/9e3d72e5-9bc4-49cc-8274-c5ace85f066e
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Scrap that - looks to be http://sites.rootsweb.com/~llangattocklingoed/manorialrecords.html
Listed in the manorial records https://archiveshub.jisc.ac.uk/search/archives/22e58a82-11fd-384c-a2d9-280c6aa129c6
See also
https://www.library.wales/fileadmin/fileadmin/docs_gwefan/adroddiadau_blynyddol/Ab1933.pdf
Which has entry:
On November 16 1348 Edward III made an order “to deliver to Agnes late the wife of Laurence de Hastynges [among a number of other places] the town of Michael, Lancadok and Lyncoyd Capella, Killitha
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Seee also http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~llangattocklingoed/genealogy/history/parishname.html
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This is my guess at it.
I think it is Capella Ballon.
My reasoning behind it.
Cappella is Latin for Chapel and the Ballon family were headed by Hamelin de Ballon 1st Baron Abergavenny having been given the land by William Rufus
Anyone agree or shall I get my coat :) :)
I was barking up the wrong tree.
I bow to the superior eyesight knowledge of Bookbox -see reply below.
I can now see it as Bettous
i'll get my coat. ;D ;D
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I think it’s probably written Cappella Bettous or Bettws (though admittedly the last letter isn’t a perfect match with other final S's).
You might want to consider Bettws Chapel, very near Abergavenny. See here ...
https://www.stteiloschurch.org.uk/bettwschapel.htm
or here ...
https://www.nationalchurchestrust.org/places-we-helped/bettws-chapel
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Tend to agree with Bookbox having properly downloaded the image. Might a chapel of Hameline de Ballon be more associated with the Abergavenny priory ?
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Hi,
The word for hat or cap in Italian is cappello (masculine, plural: cappelli). It derives from the Latin cappellus which in turn comes from the word cappa meaning hood.
Could it be Upper Bettws in dog-Latin?
Just a thought!
Thank you all for your valiant efforts and kind attention!
Cheers,
Llanfi :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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The word for hat or cap in Italian is cappello (masculine, plural: cappelli). It derives from the Latin cappellus which in turn comes from the word cappa meaning hood.
Could it be Upper Bettws in dog-Latin?
I’m not really convinced by the above suggestion.
Cappella (meaning ‘chapel’) is a standard word in church registers.
Bettws (meaning ‘house of prayer’) is a very common place-name (for lots of examples, see https://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-dict/wales/pp81-88#h3).
‘Upper’ would normally be written out in English. If the register is in Latin, you would expect something like ‘Sup.' or ‘Superior’. But that’s not to say your suggested location of Upper Bettws is wrong (assuming it was in existence at the date of this register?)
But any chapel-of-ease might be known locally within its own parish as Cappella Bettws, or some form of that name. So I think you need to be looking in the parish of Abergavenny, on the basis that if it was further afield it would probably be designated with another parish name.
Just my thoughts.
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https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MON/Bettws/Bettws
Titled:
Chapel, Bettws (Unknown)
Add -not sure if this link has been given:
https://coflein.gov.uk/en/site/96632/
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Hello All!
Yes I think that Chapel Bettws is the right location!!!
It is in line with my other data
Gadget's genuki link worked perfectly.
I send once again my thanks and gratitude!!
Llanfi :) :) :) :) :)
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Hello All!
Yes, and I lived near Capel Bangor at one time!
Wikipedia has:
Capel Curig (Welsh pronunciation: [ˈkɑːpɛl ˈkɨːrɪɡ]; meaning "Curig's Chapel") is a village and community in the historic county of Caernarfonshire.
What a talented forum this is!
LLanfi :) :) :) :) :) :) :)