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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: NicolaasMars on Monday 13 December 21 12:08 GMT (UK)
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The couple Arthur Fegan (also spelled Fagan) and Catharine McClory married on 18-10-1839 in Newry, Co. Down. They get 13 children: first four in Annaghlone, Co Down (1841-1845), then four in Liverpool (1847-1854), and finally five in Kilcoo, Co. Down.
I have found RC baptism records for all but one: Arthur, named after his father, who according to the census record of 1871 was born circa 1852 in Liverpool. Her married 8 July 1872 in Liverpool with Elizabeth Downes. Any help in finding the birth or baptism of this Arthur will be greatly appreciated.
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Have you found the family in 1851? Where are they exactly?
And where - in what RC Parish - were the children before and after Arthur baptized? Does that help find Arthur?
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The earliest mention of the family I have found is in the 1871 census of England. The address there is Worthington Street, Toxteth Park. In Liverpool, the children are baptized in St Patrick Church.
The child before Arthur and the one following him have been baptized in Liverpool, but I do not find Arthur there, and the 1871 census gives his place of birth as "Ireland".
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You don’t name the other children in the family to compare names as I can only see Henry b 1852
Henry Fegan, June quarter, 1852, Liverpool mmn McClury
Catholic baptism St Patrick’s, Liverpool
11 April 1852 (born 5th )
Henry Fagan - parents Arthur Fagan and Catherine McClorey
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1871 3793 /17/28
Auther Fegan, 18 yrs b Ireland
Henry Fegan, 16 yrs b Liverpool
Terence Fegan 14 yrs b Liverpool
Plus the rest of the family
Baptism records
Henry - 1852
Terence - 1854
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1871 3793 /17/28
Auther Fegan, 18 yrs b Ireland
Henry Fegan, 16 yrs b Liverpool
Terence Fegan 14 yrs b Liverpool
Plus the rest of the family
Baptism records
Henry - 1852
Terence - 1854
Yes, just found this also.
children: Thomas, Arthur, Henry, Terence, Hugh, Margaret, Sarah, Felix
with Thomas and Henry born in Liverpool, but Arthur in Ireland
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The children:
John bapt. 1 Jan 1841 Annaghlone, C. Down
Patrick bapt. 25 Sep 1848 same
James bapt. 9 Jun 1844 same
Mary bapt. 21 Oct 1845 same
Thomas born 1847D 20 544 Liverpool
Arthur 1852 Ireland, according to census 1871 <<< THIS IS THE PERSON I AM LOOKING FOR
Henry bapt. 11 Apr 1852 St Patrick, Liverpool (born 5 Apr 1852, GRO Liverpool 1852 J 8B 133)
Terence 21 Feb 1854 St Vincent, Liverpool (born 16 Feb 1854, GRO Liverpool 1854 M 8B 136)
Hugh bapt. 6 Jul 1855 Kilcoo, Co. Down
Mary 21 Jun 1856 same
Catherine 14 Aug 1857 same
Sara Ann bapt. 28 Nov 1858 same
Felix bapt. 21 Feb 1861 same.
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1881 3634 /80/9
Arthur Fagan, 29 yrs b County Down
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Yes, but I do not see his birth or baptism on rootsireland.ie
Are there other sites where I may have better luck?
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And I didn't see him in the indexes at ancestry or findmypast. Rootsireland is said to be better than both of them, anyway.
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Ancestry and Find my Past have indexes to some Catholic records. I have looked but can’t see Arthur, sadly.
If you don’t have indexes, you just have to go through - can be difficult.
Kilcoo parish
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0432
Annaghlone
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0437
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There are these:
Thomas b December quarter 1847 Liverpool (can’t see a baptism)
Henry b 1852 Liverpool
Terence b 1854 Liverpool
So Arthur born 1850 +/- 1 year?
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Kilcoo parish records seem to have a gap between 1840s and 1851 - see page here
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633229#page/93/mode/1up
It might be that they are out of order or missing altogether
Added - I just tried searching for (any) 1850 baptisms but none show.
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I looked through both, for th period 1847 to 1852, without success.
I saw no gaps in the Kilcoo baptism register. However, the regular and quite readable handwriting suggests to me that this is a later copy of the original register. No Arthur Fegan found, alas.
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Ancestry and Find my Past have indexes to some Catholic records. I have looked but can’t see Arthur, sadly.
If you don’t have indexes, you just have to go through - can be difficult.
The Catholic Registers and Index are a Free collection on Findmypast. Full access without a sub, just have to register & logon.
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/help/articles/360002792977-are-there-free-records-on-findmypast-
https://www.findmypast.com/page/free-ancestry-records
Findmypast & Ancestry jointly did the transcriptions from the NLI microfilm so transcriptions are in theory the same though the search interfaces can generate different variants. RootsIreland are from the actual parish registers with locally done transcription so in general are more accurate.
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It looks like we are both researching the same family. Arthur's brother Hugh, born 1855 ish is my great grandfather. Hughs son was Edward, Edwards son was Brian and Brian's daughter is Me
I have also drawn a blank of any baptism for the same Arthur, born 1850.
I'm thinking, their father, also Arthur was the first to come over here to Liverpool 🥰