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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ross & Cromarty => Topic started by: Sildeag on Tuesday 16 November 21 23:52 GMT (UK)
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In the 1841 census Mary McLeod is aged 70 and is living with Donald, a weaver, and Janet McLeod in Rockfield Village. I looked up the 1851 census for Tarbat and Donald's birth place is Api?????, ROC.
I have a Donald McLeod married to Janet McLeod. Donald weaver died in Tarbat in 1866 aged 65. He is a widower but wife's name not given. His father is Robert McLeod. The informant is son Donald born 1843 who died in Cromarty Ferry 12 Sep 1912. This leads me to believe Mary McLeod whom I thought was Donald Sr.'s mother could be his mother-in-law. John McLeod married to Margaret Vass also of Tarbat has parents Neil McLeod and Mary.
I am wondering if anyone can help figure out Mary's maiden name, which place Api?????, ROC is, and hopefully link John McLeod (1796 Geanies, Tarbat - 1886 Tarbat) to Donald McLeod (1801-1866). There is a Donald McLeod born 26 Oct 1802 in Tarbat.
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Hi
i m not certain what date the 1841 census was taken
perhaps someone more experienced know
on the 3rd of May 1841
there is a Mary MacLeod born
to Donald Macleod and Janet Denoon in Tarbat
could possibly be the 1 month old Mary on the census
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Hi
i m not certain what date the 1841 census was taken
perhaps someone more experienced know
on the 3rd of May 1841
there is a Mary MacLeod born
to Donald Macleod and Janet Denoon in Tarbat
could possibly be the 1 month old Mary on the census
6th June
https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/guides/census-records/1841-census
so it would fit very well.
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I am wondering if anyone can help figure out Mary's maiden name, which place Api?????, ROC is
Can you post an extract from the original document so we can see what we make of it?
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This first attachment is Donald McLeod and Janet Denoon. I had confused myself, sorry. Mary born in 1770 or 1771 is staying with this Donald rather than her son John McLeod and Margaret Vass who also lived in Tarbat. I would like to know her maiden name was my second question, if that is possible?
The location of Donald's birth from the 1851 census was the first question. Decades ago, I had a transcribed version of the 1851 census for Tarbat, which was online for a short period of time. Unfortunately, the location of birth was truncated Api????? and whether it showed more on the spreadsheet, I don't know where it is. I am not sure of permissions but have posted the image of the relevant section. It appears that Donald Sr.'s complete name is Donald James McLeod and as a result he doesn't appear next to my other Donald's in Roots Magic. Donald Sr. was christened 26 Oct 1802 in Tarbat. I downloaded his death cert from Scotland's People.
It would be helpful to have this information and it provides linkage between families.
I do have a few Neil McLeods who might be John McLeod's father: Neil McLeod and Katherine Sinclair, Neil born in 1782 to Donald McLeod and Janet McGilandrus, Neil in 1784 to Hugh and Jean Graham. and Neil and Margaret McKenzie. But don't see where Mary fits.
Hendry could be a mis-spelling of Henry.
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The location of Donald's birth from the 1851 census was the first question. Decades ago, I had a transcribed version of the 1851 census for Tarbat, which was online for a short period of time. Unfortunately, the location of birth was truncated Api????? and whether it showed more on the spreadsheet, I don't know where it is. I am not sure of permissions but have posted the image of the relevant section.
If you are seeking help to decipher something, you need to go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. download the digital image of the original document, and post the relevant extract from that. No-one is going to be able to deduce anything from an extract from someone else's transcription of the information.
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Many people have access to census info and I just felt that someone knowing the area better might guess the place. It is likely close to Tarbat. Mary's maiden name is the key question.
I also have a John McLeods b 1785 d. 1860 Tarbat death cert. downloaded from Scotland's People. He is a farmer at Bankhead, Tarbat. His parents are Robert McLeod and Margaret Rose. Not sure if Margaret could be called Mary.
I downloaded Robert McLeod's death cert. 1868 Balnabruach, Tarbat aged 80 but parents names are unknown, single, and nurse Julia McKay was informant. Not very helpful. However, the 1851 census shows him living with his younger sister Margaret Ross in Balnabruach, Tarbat.
Regarding placenames is Balnabruach in Tarbat or Nigg?
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Oh, well, without sight of the original document your chance of getting a correct interpretation of Api.... is pretty well nil. It is up to you.
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One of the transcriptions that I've looked at shows birthplace as Assint - I presume Assynt which is on the west coast in Sutherland
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/SUT/Assynt
Looking at the original, it is written as Assint (long s, often wrongly seen as a p)
Gadget
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I agree that it looks like Assint. Nothing to beat checking the original.
However it does say Ross, and the parish of Assynt is in Sutherland.
Could it be the other Assynt, which is in the parish of Alness in Easter Ross?
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=57.67146&lon=-4.35756&layers=5&b=1
http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NH5967
Quite a lot closer to Tarbat, and in the right county.
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It's not unusual to get counties mixed up up there and I can't think of any other places that look like that
As you know I lived up there for many years :)
There is a baptism in Assynt for a Donald McLeod - parents William and Christian, 4 April 1799 - that might be worth considering.
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The Horse Tax Rolls for Alness does mention an Alexander Barclay of Assint*, so it might be worth looking in Alness parish or could he be an absentee :-\
* 1797-8
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Sildeag ~
Do you have the family on the 1861? I've had a broad sweep but I can't identify them at the moment.
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Thank you so very much. I really appreciate knowing that. It really helps.
I have a number of McLeod families that moved from Lochbroom, Coigach, ROC and some from Achmelvich and Assynt in Sutherland. They are sometimes cattlemen and shepherds. I am guessing they went to work on the Arboll Estate, which at the time was run by Donald MacLeod of Geanies who married the Ross heiress of the Balnagowan Estate.
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Thanks again to everyone.
Besides downloading several death certs. for Tarbat. I downloaded the 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891, and 1901 censuses but downloads are for individuals and it creates a mess of files. Bringing forward the information wasn't too bad but some people were missing or confusing. Rather than being stuck or confused, I either downloaded a death cert. or asked for help.
Some of the censuses showed a birth location in Kincardine, ROC for some McLeod families. I didn't know Assynt also existed in ROC so will have to consider that too.
My main interest was going back to show the perceived migration from west to east or any other pattern to explain who my ancestors were and where they came from.
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Assynt is in Sutherland.
I recall that the N - S boundary between R&C and Sutherland on the west side is at Inverkirkaig. The single track road crosses a burn ( river kirkaig) running down from Suilven. I have walked up the track beside the burn to the loch below Suilven many times. A simplified map of the parish boundaries are given here:
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct
If a person is born close to the borders of the two counties, it might well be confusing.
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This is the other McLeod family group I found living in Tarbat. Alexander McLeod in this case was born in Kincardine, ROC in 1781. The death cert. had father unknown and mother unknown.
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The Parish of Assynt is in the county of Sutherland. According to https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files//research/list-of-oprs/detailed-list-of-old-parochial-registers-of-scotland.pdf its registers of baptisms start in 1798, so the record of Mary's baptism in about 1770, if it was in that Assynt, has not survived.
Assynt House with associated farms etc is in the Parish of Alness in the county of Ross and Cromarty. Also spelled Assint and Assaint. The same source says that the Alness register of baptisms starts in 1783, so it isn't going to be there either.
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Janet Denoon, other surname McLeod, died in 1860, mother's maiden surname Hendry. Therefore I think you can dismiss the idea that Mary McLeod was Donald's mother-in-law.
There are baptisms of two sons to Alexander Denoon and C/Katherine Henry in Tarbat in 1802 and 1808, so it would be a reasonable hypothesis that these are Janet's family.
I see from the index to baptisms on SP that Donald McLeod and Janet Denoon named two daughters Mary; one baptised on 5 April 1834, who presumably died before the one baptised on 3 May 1841 was born. Since we can be reasonably sure that Janet Denoon's mother's name was not Mary, this adds weight to the idea that Mary McLeod was Donald's mother.
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the 1861 census (a transcription) lists at Rockfield Farm, Tarbat
Donald McLeod, 70, born Assynt, Sutherland
Alexander, 23
Mary, 20
Donald, 12
Neil, 8.
Best to check the original to make sure that it has been correctly transcribed, of course, but it seems to settle the question of where Donald was born.
Except that in both the previous censuses he said he was born in Ross, not Sutherland. Could the enumerator have misinterpreted what he said, and assumed that he meant Assynt in Sutherland rather than Assynt in Ross?
But in either case he cannot be the one baptised in Tarbat in 1802.
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I downloaded Robert McLeod's death cert. 1868 Balnabruach, Tarbat aged 80 but parents names are unknown, single, and nurse Julia McKay was informant. Not very helpful. However, the 1851 census shows him living with his younger sister Margaret Ross in Balnabruach, Tarbat.
Margaret McLeod, other surname Ross, died in Tain in 1859 aged 64, mother's maiden surname Ross. Therefore it looks as if Robert's mother's surname was Ross. Her death certificate should tell you their father's name and their mother's given name.
However Robert is too young to be Donald's father, as he would have been born in the 1790s and Donald was born about 1800.
Regarding placenames is Balnabruach in Tarbat or Nigg?
As the death was registered in Tarbat, it is in Tarbat. At that time, a death always had to be registered in the registration district where the death occurred.
This is confirmed by the listing at www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk.
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Incidentally, where did you get the idea that Tarbat is 'Tarbat by Fearn'?
In 18th and 19th century terms, and 20th century until they started messing about with local authority boundaries in the 1970s, Tarbat and Fearn are two separate and therefore mutually exclusive parishes. By definition, if a place is in one parish it is not also in another parish.
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John McLeod married to Margaret Vass also of Tarbat has parents Neil McLeod and Mary.
.... hopefully link John McLeod (1796 Geanies, Tarbat - 1886 Tarbat) to Donald McLeod (1801-1866). There is a Donald McLeod born 26 Oct 1802 in Tarbat.
There may be a link between John McLeod (1796-1886) and Donald McLeod (b 1802), both of whom were born in the parish of Tarbat. However you say that John's parents were Neil and Mary, and I see that Donald's were John and Katherine. So John and Donald, if they are connected, cannot be brothers. They could be cousins, but the records don't go back far enough to be sure of that.
However the Donald born in the parish of Tarbat in 1802 isn't likely to be yours, because yours says he was born in Assynt, which is either the parish in Sutherland or the estate in the parish of Alness.
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Forforian thank you for the additional info. I meant to say I had found a christening record for Donald McLeod in Tarbat. Isn't it possible to be born in Assynt and christened in Tarbat?
I used Tarbat by Fearn to be consistent with other info found. There might be other Tarbats or Tarbets.
I am hopeful Donald had other siblings and with time I will download more death certs. and possibly find out who the parents are. These families were of special interest to me because some are connected to Nigg, ROC.
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Forforian thank you for the additional info. I meant to say I had found a christening record for Donald McLeod in Tarbat. Isn't it possible to be born in Assynt and christened in Tarbat?
Yes, it's possible, but very unusual. Have you looked at the original to see if it tells you where the parents resided?
I used Tarbat by Fearn to be consistent with other info found. There might be other Tarbats or Tarbets.
There are lots of Tarba/e(r)ts, but no other parish of the name in Ross and Cromarty.
I am hopeful Donald had other siblings and with time I will download more death certs. and possibly find out who the parents are. These families were of special interest to me because some are connected to Nigg, ROC.
You never know :)