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Title: Edwardina/Victorian Theatre
Post by: abun on Saturday 13 November 21 14:16 GMT (UK)
My interest is in Edwardian/Victorian provincial theatre artists.

I am researching Harry Harrop and Ethel Vinroy, the stage names of two artistes who married between 1900 and 1910.  Unfortunately, I am struggling to establish their real names.

The only clue I have found is that in The Stage newspaper, Ethel posted a notice to say that her father, Alfred Davis, (late Somerset House, London) died on 12 March 1916 in his 89th year.

I cannot, however, find a death for Alfred Davis in that period of the correct age.

Any help anybody can give me would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: Edwardina/Victorian Theatre
Post by: Milliepede on Saturday 13 November 21 15:14 GMT (UK)
Maybe he didn't die in the UK, have you tried the spelling "Davies"

Do you have a rough age for Ethel if her father was in his late 80's? 
Title: Re: Edwardina/Victorian Theatre
Post by: abun on Saturday 13 November 21 15:23 GMT (UK)
I believe Ethel was born around 1876.

I have tried spellings of Davies, but with no joy.

Must admit I have not looked for a death overseas

Thamks
Title: Re: Edwardina/Victorian Theatre
Post by: Milliepede on Saturday 13 November 21 15:32 GMT (UK)
An 1881 census for the father might help then but as you say with stage names very difficult to find the real people  :-\

Where did she appear as an artiste - in London or all over the country?  Any hints that might help,
did she have children for example.
Title: Re: Edwardina/Victorian Theatre
Post by: Milliepede on Saturday 13 November 21 15:34 GMT (UK)
There are various London school admissions for little girls born c1876 whose father was Alfred Davis.
Title: Re: Edwardina/Victorian Theatre
Post by: abun on Saturday 13 November 21 16:26 GMT (UK)
I've found a 1901 census for Harry and Ethel Harrop and their son Harry in Ramsgate.

They are both theatrical artists, Harry born in Harrogate in 1877 and Ethel in Grimsby in 1877 and Harry junior in Grimsby in 1900.

What I can't find of course are any birth records in the names of Harrop for father and son.
Title: Re: Edwardina/Victorian Theatre
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 13 November 21 17:18 GMT (UK)
Have you located young Harry in 1911, I can see his parents as Harrop.
Title: Re: Edwardina/Victorian Theatre
Post by: Ashtone on Saturday 13 November 21 17:26 GMT (UK)
I think Ethel is Minnie Ethel Davis, born 1875 in Caistor, Lincolnshire.
Father Alfred Davis, a Clerk at Somerset House (1861 census). Residing in Lambeth. Born c1828.

There's an 1894 marriage for a Minnie Ethel Davis to a Herbert Vince Taylor in Clee, Lincolnshire.
But it appears the groom may be from Hertfordshire. Father was a Baptist Minister from Deptford.
Title: Re: Edwardina/Victorian Theatre
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 13 November 21 17:29 GMT (UK)
I had seen her as Mina Ethel Davis with her father as an annuitant living in Cleethorpes area but could not see her anywhere else  ;D
Title: Re: Edwardina/Victorian Theatre
Post by: abun on Saturday 13 November 21 17:32 GMT (UK)
Minnie Ethel Davis looks promising - thanks, I'll follow it up
Title: Re: Edwardina/Victorian Theatre
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 13 November 21 17:35 GMT (UK)
Herbert Vincent Taylors occupation was an Agent when he married Minnie.  Witnesses were Caroline and Alfred Davis
Title: Re: Edwardina/Victorian Theatre
Post by: Ashtone on Saturday 13 November 21 17:37 GMT (UK)
1911 Census -- change of surname theatrical surname? Ethel is with Harry, but no sign of son.
ADDED: No change of name, just an Ancestry mis-transcription of the surname (Harrop).

Harry Harriet  (Harrop)
Age in 1911   34 c 1877
born   Harrogate, Yorkshire, England
Parish Sculcoates 6 Queens Road Hull
Married Occupation   Actor
Registration District Number   521 ED, institution, or vessel 29 Piece   28740
Title: Re: Edwardina/Victorian Theatre
Post by: abun on Saturday 13 November 21 17:40 GMT (UK)
That looks like Harry and Ethel in 1911, son could be away at school of with family.

Maybe Minnie Ethel's husband was a theatrical agent which would make sense