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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Carmarthenshire => Wales => Carmarthenshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Scotaus on Saturday 13 November 21 05:54 GMT (UK)
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I have a name of direct ancestor ..Margaret JONES, born 1817 Llanelli district, Carmarthenshire. Married John WIlkins(on) in Trevethin, Monmouthshire in 1834. In 1891 England census, she was 75 yrs. and died at that address in 1895 aged 70yrs. She was staying in Wimbledon with a daughter, and her younger cousin Thomas M. Jones (I have presumed it was Jones but name now looks more like JAROS.) Haven't been able to find more re her family or his... he was an Auctioneer, Estate Agent etc. and a bit younger than cousin Margaret...he was 56 in 1891 census so born c.1835.in Llangandock (Llangadog), Carmenthenshire. Anybody help?
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Can you please give the reference for the 1891 so we can find it?
What is the daughter’s name? Age? Place of birth
Presumably you have names for other children.
Is she Wilkins or Wilkinson in that 1891?
never mind. found them.
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Could this be Thomas in 1881 living at Kensington Terrace OR, 214, St Helen Avenue, Swansea - Transcribed as Thomas M Jarus in 1891 on Anc and Margaret has surname Wilkinson
Thomas M James Widower 45 Auctioneer Llangadock, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Thomas W James Son 22 Surveyors clerk Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland
Mary Evans Servant 17 General servant (domestic) Swansea, Glamorganshire
Kay
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1851? Talywain, Trevethin
2449
Folio: 413
Page Number: 16
Household Schedule Number: 61
John WILKINS. 40 b Trevithin. Coal miner
Margaret 34 b Carmarthen Town?
John 15 Coalminer b Trevithin (as are all the rest of children)
Richard 11 Coalminer
Catherine 8
Elizabeth 6
Margaret 3
Ann 1
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Although Thomas James is listed a widower in 1881 I think his wife and part of his family were living in Camberwell as below
Constance E. James 51 Married Independant b Surrey Newington
William G. Brown 21 Solicitors Clerk
Charles M. James 14
This looks like their marriage 18 Oct 1865 Islington
Constantia Elizabeth Brown Widow - Father Charles Cooper Gent to Thomas Morgan Brown - Widower Auctioneer Father William James - Farmer
Kay
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His first marriage seems to be in Long Benton, Northumberland in 1858 to Maria JAMES (eek)
her father Thomas JAMES
his father William JAMES
and that then accounts for
JAMES, THOMAS WILLIAM JAMES
GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 153
He became a solicitor
Not getting any closer to the relationship between the cousins though.
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Do you know who the witnesses for Margaret JONES and John WILKINS marriage are?
Isaac and Catherine COOPER
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1841 Trevethin
Catherine COOPER 65. Ind.
John WILKINS 30 Collier
Margt " 20
John 5
Richard 2.
So that might be Catherine, but is it any help???
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Marriage - Llandenny, Monmouthshire, Wales
Catherinah JONES to Isaac COOPER (both widowed) 17 Nov 1832
So.... is Catherine/a. Margaret JONES' mother?
(think Isaac buried 13 March 1838 age 65)
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Yes, they were apparently friends who witnessed the wedding of John WILKINS (later WILKINSON) and Margaret Jones in Trevethin, in 1834, as per the marriage certificate.
Another poster has given me details of Catherine & Isaac being married (after both "widowed") on 17 Nov., 1832. Isaac died 13 March, 1838.
In 1841 Trevethin Census, Catherine Cooper (65 yrs., as Independent) is living with John WILKINS 30, Collier, and wife Margaret 20, 2 children John 5, & Richard 2. Tnaks for help. Ruth
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I think these are all relevant...thanks so much to everyone who have researched and replied.
I think Catherine & Isaac Cooper, who were witnesses at Margaret JONES' wedding to John WILKINS(ON) in 1834 were maybe Catherine JONES, Margaret's mother and her second husband Isaac COOPER. Dates fit. I don't know why the fact she is Margaret JONES' mother is not mentioned on wedding cert. where they all signed with "mark".
Catherine Cooper is with Wilkinsons again as 'Independent' (& Isaac has died) in 1841 Census (she died in 1842).
Above person in subject line is: Thomas Morgan JAMES not Jones (why can't my ancestors have an UNUSUAL Welsh name???). Other connections all then fall into line. I just presumed being Margaret's cousin, he was named JONES - one should never presume!