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Title: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Ehodgso on Wednesday 10 November 21 20:43 GMT (UK)
I  have a question that I have been trying to solve for a few months now, and do not know where to look .
In a family history written by my ancestors in the 1920's from Massillon,  Ohio, USA,  there are two women listed.  They were immigrants from Weardale Durham England. They left Liverpool about 11 May 1884 on a Canadian Steam Navigation Company steam screw ship named Cleopatra. 
Ann Wearmouth,  born 1834 at St John's Chapel near Stanhope, Durham England.  She married my GG grandfather Joseph Hodgson (born 13 Oct 1830)  on April 6, 1850, at Weardale , St John's Chapel, Durham, Eng. 
Also, Mary Wearmouth.  She married Willam Pattinson on March 22, 1845 at Weardale, St John's Chapel, Durham Eng. 
The father is listed as Thomas Wearmouth, on a certified copy of their marriage licenses.  Both list Cherry Tree House as their residences.  They must be sisters, my old family history notes that "the mother, grandmother and aunt swore they would never cross the ocean again" .  The mother and aunt must be Ann and her sister Mary.  I do not who the grandmother would be, but suspect their mother.
My problem is that I can not find records of a Thomas Wearmouth family residing in Weardale, Durham, that have these two sisters living together.  I also found a Richard Wearmouth family with an Ann and Mary, but the birth years were not as I would expect to see.  The marriage licenses show Ann and Mary as Thomas' kids living in Cherry Tree House. 
I would like to be able to list who my GGG grandparents are on the Wearmouth side and be sure I have the correct ones.  Census data for 1851 would not show either Ann or Mary living at home.
, since they were already married.  It does show Joseph and Ann Hodgson, and I found William and Mary Pattinson, with the expected kids.  I just need to find the right Wearmouth parents.
If someone could point me at the right data bases to search, I would be grateful.  I have searched the Ancestry file, I am a paid member, I use the Mormon program Family Search, Wiki Tree, the GENUKI data files, Freereg, Freecen and FreeBMD.  But no answers.  I think the Weardale Museum might have the information, but they have not responded to my query.  They have been busy reopening this year from the covid shutdown, and I think are now closed for the winter.  They did provide me with a large amount of data on my family from the Hodgson gg thru ggggg grandparents a few months ago. 
Thank you       Eugene Hodgson    Virginia USA.



Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Ayashi on Wednesday 10 November 21 21:10 GMT (UK)
For the benefit of the boards, what I posted in chat:

DRO, with input father Thomas
Baptisms Durham 1813 Benjamin Wearmouth South Street
Baptisms Durham 1813 Margaret Wearmouth South Street
Baptisms Durham 1816 Ann Wearmouth South Street
Baptisms Weardale 1821 Mary Wearmouth 1821 Chester House
Baptisms Weardale 1824 Jonathan Wearmouth St.Johns Chapel
Baptisms Weardale 1826 John Wearmouth 1826 St.Johns Chapel
Baptisms Weardale 1828 Thomas Wearmouth 1828 Chesters
Baptisms Weardale 1831 Richard Wearmouth Chesters
Baptisms Weardale 1836 Jane Wearmouth Broken Way
Baptisms Weardale 1842 Ann Wearmouth Burnfoot
Baptisms Weardale 1842 Joseph Wearmouth Burnfoot
Baptisms Weardale 1842 William Wearmouth Burnfoot
Baptisms Weardale 1844 William Wearmouth Cherrytree House

For further investigation. Currently attempting to find on another source.

~ Edit- mother from Mary onwards is Ann. I don't know about first three christenings.
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Wednesday 10 November 21 21:12 GMT (UK)
I have a suggestion for 1841 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQBF-CNC

Address looks like Barn Foot in Weardale. Cherry Tree House is about three households further down the page

Ancestry has  indexed each family member as an individual household which may be why you haven;t picked them up?

Added: Thomas is a lead miner
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Wednesday 10 November 21 21:14 GMT (UK)
Ooh Ayashi - those children match my 1841. Burn Foot is correct
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Wednesday 10 November 21 21:22 GMT (UK)
I suspect Ann the mother was too old to have emigrated in 1884

when Ann and Mary's brother Richard Wearmouth died in 1903, his address is Cherry Tree House
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Ayashi on Wednesday 10 November 21 21:23 GMT (UK)
The ages are interesting though, compared to the order of christenings. Was Jane done as a baby and Ann was skipped and caught up with two younger siblings?

Thomas Jr marries 1850, abode Cherry Tree House.

Ann nee LOWES, m. Thomas WEARMOUTH (Snr) 1820, Weardale
Earliest children on the list not of the same couple, it would seem.
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: osprey on Wednesday 10 November 21 21:28 GMT (UK)
1851 census at Cherry Tree House

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGJ5-PJJ
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Wednesday 10 November 21 21:45 GMT (UK)
Neither Thomas nor wife Ann appear to be on 1871 - and there's some likely death registrations

WEARMOUTH, ANN
Aged       63 
Q4  1864
WEARDALE  Volume 10A  Page 136


WEARMOUTH, THOMAS        
Aged 72 
Q3 1870
WEARDALE  Volume 10A  Page 178
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Ayashi on Wednesday 10 November 21 21:46 GMT (UK)
So:

Name --- Christening Year --- Birth year (41)
Mary --- 1821 (born 1821) --- not present in house
Jonathan --- 1824 --- c1826
John --- 1826 (born 1826) --- 1827
Thomas --- 1828 (born 1828) --- 1829
Richard --- 1831 --- 1831
Ann --- 1842 --- 1834
Jane --- 1836 --- 1836
William --- 1842 --- 1837 --- died 1842 (dob 1837)
Joseph --- 1842 --- 1840
William --- 1844

There's a mildly awkward
Burials   Weardale   1845   Ann   Wearmouth   abt 1831   St.Johns Chapel
but the above age matches the OP Ann and this one is a few years out from what we know so hopefully a diddy red herring.

One burial that may or may not prove interesting:
Burials   Weardale   1847   Elizabeth   Wearmouth   abt 1809   Canada, [North America?]   


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Edit
Now here's a wee spanner in the works... Tried to look up marriage on the BTs but pages absent. Did find christening for Mary 1821 which has mother down as Jane. The christening came up when I input Ann on DRO but couldn't see the entry there without paying.
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Wednesday 10 November 21 21:56 GMT (UK)

There's a mildly awkward
Burials   Weardale   1845   Ann   Wearmouth   abt 1831   St.Johns Chapel
but the above age matches the OP Ann and this one is a few years out from what we know so hopefully a diddy red herring.


Two possible other Anns

baptised March 1830, daughter of Robert & Margaret
baptised Jan 1831, daughter of Richard and Anne

More likely to be the latter - gravestone photo on Ancestry of Ann daughter of Richard and Elizabeth [??] buried Sept 1845 aged 15
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Ayashi on Wednesday 10 November 21 21:59 GMT (UK)
Awesome. Since there wasn't a reply a moment ago, I edited my previous post. Now looking up other christenings in BTs.

- Jonathan is son of Anne. DRO does not have any results for any children of Jane, including Mary, so seems the PR might have mother Anne and the BT erroneously has Jane for some reason? Goes to show records can be a nightmare sometimes lol
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Ehodgso on Wednesday 10 November 21 22:07 GMT (UK)
The 1851 census looks like the correct family.  But there is no Ann or Mary which is to be expected.  Joseph has also left the home it appears
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Wednesday 10 November 21 22:11 GMT (UK)
Going back another generation

Thomas Wearmouth
St John's Chapel
Birth date    9 Jan 1798
Baptism date    18 Feb 1798

Father     John Wearmouth, miner
Mother forename    Mary HOLMES
Father occupation    Miner
Notes    3rd son. Both parents Natives of this P


Ann Lowes
Stanhope St Thomas the Apostle
Baptism date    23 Dec 1796
Father    Jonathan Lowes
Mother    Ann
abode    Bollihope
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Ehodgso on Wednesday 10 November 21 22:24 GMT (UK)
On my Ancestry.com tree.  I have Thomas Wearmouth b 1797 married to Ann b 1802
Children are
Mary b1821 d 1906 married to William Pattinson b 1819 d 2871 one child Thomas b 1846
Richard b 1831
Ann Wearmouth b 1833 d 1905  Married Joseph Hodgson.  children John b 1849, Elizabeth b 1851 and Edward b 1852
Jane b 1836
Joseph b 1840
William b 1845

I  have Ann and Mary immigrating to Canada then Ohio USA in 1854

Hope this helps
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Ehodgso on Saturday 13 November 21 19:42 GMT (UK)
Still trying to make sense out of the data AYASHI.....  Your births and baptisms fit if you consider not all names are part of the same family.  I think Thomas and Ann are my correct grands.... but the difinitive answer is not yet clear.  Maybe the weardale museum data will provide more info.

Thank you Ayashi and all.
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: sueellio on Tuesday 07 December 21 18:28 GMT (UK)

There's a mildly awkward
Burials   Weardale   1845   Ann   Wearmouth   abt 1831   St.Johns Chapel
but the above age matches the OP Ann and this one is a few years out from what we know so hopefully a diddy red herring.


Two possible other Anns

baptised March 1830, daughter of Robert & Margaret
baptised Jan 1831, daughter of Richard and Anne

More likely to be the latter - gravestone photo on Ancestry of Ann daughter of Richard and Elizabeth [??] buried Sept 1845 aged 15
The headstone inscription reads

Sacred to the memory of/ ANN DAUGHTER OF RICHARD/ AND ELIZABETH WEARMOUTH/ OF ST JOHN'S
CHAPEL WHO DIED/ SEPT. 27TH 1845 AGED 15 YEARS/ ALSO FRANCES THEIR DAUGHTER/ WHO DIED
MARCH 22ND 1864/ AGED 24 YEARS 11 MONTHS/ ALSO ELIZABETH THEIR DAUGHTER/ AND WIFE OF
GEORGE SANDERSON/ WHO DIED MAY 6TH 1867/ AGED 24 YEARS 5 MONTHS/ ALSO THE ABOVE
RICHARD WEARMOUTH/ WHO DIED DEC. 24TH 1875/ AGED 71 YEARS

There's also this Wearmouth headstone in SJC.

IN LOVING MEMORY OF/ RICHARD WEARMOUTH/ OF CHERRY TREE HOUSE/ DIED SEPTEMBER 8TH
1903/ AGED 72 YEARS/ MARGARET WEARMOUTH/ DIED MAY 21ST 1903/ AGED 63 YEARS/ JOHN
WEARMOUTH/ DIED JUNE 25TH 1853/ AGED 7 WEEKS/ MARY ANN JOHNSON/ DIED DECEMBER 26TH
1895/ AGED 41 YEARS/ MARGARET COULTHARD/ DIED SEPTEMBER 21ST 1883/ AGED 26 YEARS/ JOHN
WEARMOUTH/ DIED SEPTEMBER 30TH 1864/ AGED 14 WEEKS/ CHILDREN OF THE ABOVE/ RICHARD &
MARGARET WEARMOUTH/ ALSO/ JANE WEARMOUTH/ DAUGHTER OF THE ABOVE/ RICHARD &
MARGARET WEARMOUTH/ DIED FEBRUARY 16TH 1924/ AGED 62 YEARS

Burnfoot and Broken Way are both streets in SJC. Chesters refers to  a pair of houses  in SJC.

Anyone will tell you that Weardale family trees are notoriously difficult. Back in the mid 1800s there were only about 15 surnames in upper Weardale, first son's were usually named after their father, and eldest daughters often given their mother's maiden name as a middle name.  Everyone was related somewhere along the line. My grandparents were Stobbs and Elliott and shared the same great grandparents who were also Stobbs and Elliott.
In addition, women were often still giving birth to  children when they were already  grandparents which often makes it  hard to work out the  generations.
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Ehodgso on Tuesday 07 December 21 19:42 GMT (UK)
Thank you Suellio
I was convinced the Richard and Elizabeth family  were my ggg grandparents, they had two daughters 2-3 years apart, which seemed to fit.   The birth years were not correct.  Your gravestone shows Ann died at 15.  My Ann married Joseph Hodgson and moved to Quebec and then Ohio USA in 1854.  She had about 14 kids, and died in Ohio about 1905.    Also a 4th cousin of mine living in San Francisco, USA, sent me a marriage document of Ann marrying Joseph Hodgson and Mary marrying William Pattinson.  Also, Mary Wearmouth/Pattinson went with Joseph to Ohio, i found Mary and Ann's gravestones. The father shown for the girls is Thomas Wearmouth living at Cherry tree House. I found  1841 and 1851 census data showing this family living at burnfoot in 1841, then Cherry tree House in 1851.  Then to make it confusing, Mary does not show up in the 1841 census. (She married in 1845)  Ann married about 1850.  Also, Richard and Ann also show up living in Cherry tree house  around that time.  Maybe Richard and Thomas were brothers.... maybe Thomas adopted Mary?   So you are spot on saying things get confusing in Weardale.  I can not find any census data for 1831. Guess there is not any.  I have had no luck with finding birth or baptisms to prove anything either.
Someday i might figure this out.  I might take a vacation and visit the weardale museum, they have a great data base i understand.

Thank you for helping me with this
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Ehodgso on Tuesday 07 December 21 20:03 GMT (UK)
Rereading the inscription, Richard died in 1845, so that would leave Mary orphaned.... also at cherry tree house. Maybe Thomas moved in there from burnfoot, and signed Mary's marriage license as her father
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: sueellio on Tuesday 07 December 21 21:49 GMT (UK)
Thank you Suellio
I was convinced the Richard and Elizabeth family  were my ggg grandparents, they had two daughters 2-3 years apart, which seemed to fit.   The birth years were not correct.  Your gravestone shows Ann died at 15.  My Ann married Joseph Hodgson and moved to Quebec and then Ohio USA in 1854.  She had about 14 kids, and died in Ohio about 1905.    Also a 4th cousin of mine living in San Francisco, USA, sent me a marriage document of Ann marrying Joseph Hodgson and Mary marrying William Pattinson.  Also, Mary Wearmouth/Pattinson went with Joseph to Ohio, i found Mary and Ann's gravestones. The father shown for the girls is Thomas Wearmouth living at Cherry tree House. I found  1841 and 1851 census data showing this family living at burnfoot in 1841, then Cherry tree House in 1851.  Then to make it confusing, Mary does not show up in the 1841 census. (She married in 1845)  Ann married about 1850.  Also, Richard and Ann also show up living in Cherry tree house  around that time.  Maybe Richard and Thomas were brothers.... maybe Thomas adopted Mary?   So you are spot on saying things get confusing in Weardale.  I can not find any census data for 1831. Guess there is not any.  I have had no luck with finding birth or baptisms to prove anything either.
Someday i might figure this out.  I might take a vacation and visit the weardale museum, they have a great data base i understand.

Thank you for helping me with this
Oh you're welcome. Yes, they do. I live about 35 miles away , closer to Durham City downstream on the River Wear. Durham has a fabulous 11th century Cathedral and castle and we have some lovely countryside  to explore. Weardale itself is absolutely stunning. Very rural though. I would try and come in the Summer if you do visit.
I don't think we had a census in 1831, or if we did it's not available. Yes, I realise that's not your Ann. More for elimination , plus maybe some help with next generations . I'm not very good at reading family  tree info in sentences. I need to see it in tree format. Is your tree on ancestry public? If so I'll take a look if you can tell me your username or tree name ? Otherwise I'll draw a tree from the info' on here.   I think I have a Hodgson and possibly a Pattinson in my tree. Definitely  no Wearmouths though .I'll see if I can help with anything else . I do know that a lot of the earlier parish records for SJC were destroyed in a fire, but they have what's available in folders inside the church. My grandparents are both buried there and one of my great grandmothers, but my Dad who has dementia now, can't remember where her grave is. Because they were all Methodists the older graves don't have headstones because they were only allowed for people of  Church of England denomination until the later 1900s.
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Ehodgso on Tuesday 07 December 21 22:30 GMT (UK)
My ancestry.com tree should be public.  Username is genehodgson.  Let me know if you can see it
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Ehodgso on Wednesday 08 December 21 11:16 GMT (UK)
Sueelio, i jumped to my conclusion.  Richard did not die in 1845.... but i need to make up a timeline.  I saw census records showing Thomas in cherry tree and burnfoot.  We salso have two different Richard wearmouth families.... i will try to sort this out.
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: sueellio on Wednesday 08 December 21 18:58 GMT (UK)
Sueelio, i jumped to my conclusion.  Richard did not die in 1845.... but i need to make up a timeline.  I saw census records showing Thomas in cherry tree and burnfoot.  We salso have two different Richard wearmouth families.... i will try to sort this out.
Ooooh, it gets soooo confusing in Weardale🙄 just about to have a look at your tree. I can see Weardale baptisms for 2 Thomas Wearmouths
From free REG -Stanhope baptisms for Thomas Wearmouth
Thomas Wearmouth - Feb 1798, St John's Chapel
Thomas Wearmouth-  1803, St Thomas the Apostle , Stanhope

What names  did you know for definite from the family history book written in the 1920's ?
Do the graves of Ann and Mary have their Date and place of birth and husband's names?


Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Ehodgso on Wednesday 08 December 21 19:16 GMT (UK)
I could post a screen capture.... but i don't know how,.... and may not be allowed

Ann  b 1833 in stanhope, d 30 jul, 1905 in ohio usa m to Joseph hodgson

Mary b 1821 in stanhope,  d 21 july 1906 in ohio usa m to William Pattinson

Find a grave has a photo of their headstones in Brookfield cemetery. Not all this info is on the headstone... some i learned from ancestry searches
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: sueellio on Wednesday 08 December 21 21:43 GMT (UK)
I could post a screen capture.... but i don't know how,.... and may not be allowed

Ann  b 1833 in stanhope, d 30 jul, 1905 in ohio usa m to Joseph hodgson

Mary b 1821 in stanhope,  d 21 july 1906 in ohio usa m to William Pattinson

Find a grave has a photo of their headstones in Brookfield cemetery. Not all this info is on the headstone... some i learned from ancestry searches
Thank you. I can't seem to find your member name on Ancestry.
I've found a baptism for a Mary Wearmouth ,Aug 1821 ,Stanhope. Father Thomas Wearmouth , mother Jane. Just looking for a corresponding birth.
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Ehodgso on Wednesday 08 December 21 23:18 GMT (UK)
Try
Hodgson Family Tree   Or  Eugene Hodgson   Or genehodgson     With spaces or none as shown
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Ehodgso on Thursday 09 December 21 02:18 GMT (UK)
Ann and Mary’s parents were Thomas Wearmouth and Ann Lowes

If you send me your email I will send you a tree invite, I think I can do that
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: sueellio on Friday 10 December 21 17:30 GMT (UK)
Ann and Mary’s parents were Thomas Wearmouth and Ann Lowes

If you send me your email I will send you a tree invite, I think I can do that
I told you I'd get confused☺️ Apologies. And you know that for certain? Been really busy with house renovations, but will find your tree tonight.
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Ehodgso on Friday 10 December 21 22:59 GMT (UK)
Ha!  I just replaced my kitchen sink, disposal and faucet....  replaced my 48 year old one.   Now i just took out my old tub shower combination, and will put in a 3x6 foot shower with 4 inch stepover.  Then replace carpet with tile. 

But genealogy is fun and relaxing.  Imagining what my weardale ancestors did back in the 17 and 1800's.  Also what the countryside looked like.  I joined two Facebook weardale sites.
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: sueellio on Friday 10 December 21 23:29 GMT (UK)
Ha!  I just replaced my kitchen sink, disposal and faucet....  replaced my 48 year old one.   Now i just took out my old tub shower combination, and will put in a 3x6 foot shower with 4 inch stepover.  Then replace carpet with tile. 

But genealogy is fun and relaxing.  Imagining what my weardale ancestors did back in the 17 and 1800's.  Also what the countryside looked like.  I joined two Facebook weardale sites.

DIY is fun- sometimes
Genealogy is fun- sometimes
 :D
You will see me in the 2 Weardale Facebook groups ( Old Weardale photos and Weardale family history). Also I love Weardale, but to a lesser degree. I'm Susan Hall on Facebook. Most of my posts are about the Elliott's and Stobbs'.
Weardale is beautiful. Have you looked on Google maps Street view for Broken Way and Burnfoot St John's Chapel ( Bishop Auckland)?

I notice on your Ancestry tree that the ages on the 1841 and 1851 census' don't match with the birth year of 1796 for Ann Lowes. They do match the year of baptism . Wondering where you got the year of birth from? I can't view the select baptism source record as I only have the basic membership. Does that give her birth year?
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: sueellio on Tuesday 14 December 21 20:56 GMT (UK)
For the benefit of the boards, what I posted in chat:

DRO, with input father Thomas
Baptisms Durham 1813 Benjamin Wearmouth South Street
Baptisms Durham 1813 Margaret Wearmouth South Street
Baptisms Durham 1816 Ann Wearmouth South Street
Baptisms Weardale 1821 Mary Wearmouth 1821 Chester House
Baptisms Weardale 1824 Jonathan Wearmouth St.Johns Chapel
Baptisms Weardale 1826 John Wearmouth 1826 St.Johns Chapel
Baptisms Weardale 1828 Thomas Wearmouth 1828 Chesters
Baptisms Weardale 1831 Richard Wearmouth Chesters
Baptisms Weardale 1836 Jane Wearmouth Broken Way
Baptisms Weardale 1842 Ann Wearmouth Burnfoot
Baptisms Weardale 1842 Joseph Wearmouth Burnfoot
Baptisms Weardale 1842 William Wearmouth Burnfoot
Baptisms Weardale 1844 William Wearmouth Cherrytree House

For further investigation. Currently attempting to find on another source.

~ Edit- mother from Mary onwards is Ann. I don't know about first three christenings.

This riddle  has been going round and round in my head and it's driving me crazy.
The OP states
Ann Wearmouth, born 1834 at St John's Chapel near Stanhope, Durham England.  She married my GG grandfather Joseph Hodgson (born 13 Oct 1830)  on April 6, 1850, at Weardale , St John's Chapel, Durham, Eng. 

1. were people under the age of 18 allowed to marry?
2. On Ehodgson's Ancestry tree there's an obituary dated 1905 for Ann Hodgson in the USA. It states she was 84 when she died, therefore she must have been born around 1820, not 1834
3. The baptism listed above for Ann Wearmouth is 1834, so it can't be  Ann Hodgson died 1905 aged 84
4. The link to the  1941 census record posted is for an Ann Wearmouth aged 7 ie b1834, so neither is that Ann Hodgson died 1905 age 84.

Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: sueellio on Tuesday 14 December 21 21:25 GMT (UK)
1851 census
Wearhead
 
Joseph and Ann Hodgson age 20 and 18 - married
 John Wearmouth- son age 1
Elizabeth Hodgson - daughter age 1 month.

This must be the Ann (Wearmouth)Hodgson from the 1841 census?

Who is Ann Hodgson b1821 Durham England, died 1905  on USA aged 84 from the USA obituary .I can't quite

Are we sure that her maiden name was Wearmouth?
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Ehodgso on Wednesday 15 December 21 00:00 GMT (UK)
I noticed a short time ago that the 84 year age and birth year looked like an issue, maybe you are right... maybe the Ann that married Joseph, and the Ann that lives at cherry tree house, and the ann that died in ohio are not all the same.  Wearmouth is the right last name, that is what is stated in my 1920's history.  Wether her parents are Thomas or Richard, or another wearmouth must be the birth year problem   I've been busy working on my new shower and plumbing, so I haven't been able to do much on Ancestry. Thank you for hammering away at it I will try to take a look at the dates and see if maybe I made a mistake in assuming Thomas was the father
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Ehodgso on Wednesday 15 December 21 00:08 GMT (UK)
Here are the first pages of my history.... i have made some corrections and additions, bur for Ann Wearmouth, that is original.

John Hodgson, born bef 11 March 1759 in Weardale, Durham, England.  Died 26 Sept 1812, in Burtree, Weardale, Durham, burried St John Chapel. Married 11 Feb 1792 in Stanhope Durham, England, to a young woman whose given name was Ann Harrison, born bef 7 May 1769 in Stanhope.  She died 5 May, 1816 in Burtree, Weardale.  Burried at St John’s Chapel, as was John on 26 Sep 1812.  To this union was born 8 children.

1.  Joseph born at High Rigg, England Nov. 21, 1792.
2.  John born May 24, 1795, died 1 Sept 1855.  Emigrated to USA 1854.  Died in Carrol township, Washington Co. PA
3.  Thomas  Aug. 25, 1797
4.  William  Nov. 12, 1799
5.  Edward born at Six Days Work Farm, (Six Darg) England Oct. 10, 1802
6.  Mary born July 24, 1805
7.  Jane born Oct. 8, 1807
8.  Ann born July 20, 1811

Joseph married a young woman, 2 Aug, 1817, her given name being Esther Collingwood.  To them was born a daughter, at Burtree Ford, England, and whose name was

1.  Ann Hodgson. Aug. 28, 1817

John married Elizabeth Gardiner, born 11 May, 1800 at Earnwell, Ireshopeburn Durham Eng, on 28 July 1821 at Stanhope. They emigrated to America in 1854. John died in Carrol township PA. She died in PA USA in 1868.

1.  Edward
2.  James
3.  Mary
4.  John
5.  Elizabeth
6.  Jane

Edward 5th child of John and Ann Hodgson born Oct. 10, 1802 married in 1828 to Miss Jane Hodgson.  To this union was born 6 children, all around Burtree Ford, England.  Only two of the boys lived to see manhood, Joseph and Thomas.

l.   Joseph born Oct. 13, 1830 (moved to Canada in 1854) died 26 Dec 1880 at Ohio USA
2.  Ann born June 19, 1832 (not found in 1841 census) died 4 Aug 1832
3.  John born June 12, 1833 (not found in 1841 census) died 16 July 1833 at Green Pitts Weardale
4.  John born May 8, 1834 (no info on this child)
5.  Elizabeth born May 29, 1835 at Copt Hill, Weardale Durham Eng
6.  Thomas born Nov. 5, 1839 at Wearhead Durham Eng

These children, as near as I can find out, were all born around Burtree Ford, England.  It seems that only two of the boys lived to be men.

1. Thomas Hodgson, the youngest son of Edward Hodgson, was one of the queen's guards while he was in England, and later he went to Australia, and nothing definite was heard of him after.  Their father and mother were left alone.  In a few years the mother Jane Hodgson died.  The father then decided to come to America to his oldest son, Joseph, about the year 1865 or 1866.  He lived with him until he died, and was buried in the cemetery at West Brookfield, Ohio.

2. Joseph, the oldest son of Edward & Jane Hodgson born Oct. 13, 1830 married in 1848 to Ann Wearmouth.  They lived in and around Burtree Ford, England Joseph was a coal miner.  Of 11 children born to them, the first three children were born in England.

I.    John born Oct. 2, 1849
II.   Elizabeth born Feb. 8, 1851
III.  Edward born Sept. 28, 1852

In the year 1854 they came to America with Joseph's brother-in-law William Pattinson, wife, Mary Wearmouth. and one child Thomas Pattinson.  They came to America by a sail boat named "Cleopatra".  I often heard the mother (Ann Wearmouth), grandmother (Elizabeth Wearmouth) and aunt (Mary Wearmouth)  tell of how frightened they were when the vessel would be under water for so many seconds, and being on the water so long, their supplies were running short. They surely did not have much pleasure in their trip.  Actually records show the steam screw ship Cleopatra left Liverpool April 11, 1854. Ran into heavy storms, then ice in the St. Lawrence seaway, forcing them to port on May 5, in Portsmouth Maine. The news accounts state passengers were then sent on to their final destination. The Cleopatra finally arrived in Quebec May 24. That would be 23 days on the water.  Three weeks and two days.  While on the ship, Cleopatra, there was born to them a son, whose name was Thomas, the date of birth being May 1, 1854.  He died at sea
 
IV.   Thomas, born and died at sea 1854



V.    Joseph born Jan. 21, 1856 (in Canada)

They moved to Ohio July 22, 1856.   In 1857, they moved to Stark County, Ohio, around the section called Newman’s Creek.  Joseph worked in the coal mines in the winter and farmed in the summer.  They lived around Massillon in Stark County Ohio & West Brookfield, where Joseph died suddenly Dec. 26, 1880.  He was buried in the Brookfield cemetery.  He left a wife and five sons, and one daughter at home, three of whom were married.  His wife remained a widow until her death.  She kept the home together until all the boys were married but one, who was then living at Canal Fulton, Ohio.  From there she and her son moved to Navarre, Ohio.  The last eight months of her life she lived with her son, Joseph, being very sick all that time.  On July 27, 1905, Ann Wearmouth was called to her heavenly home, and was buried July 30 at West Brookfield, Ohio.  Six of her children were born in Ohio.

VI.   Wearmouth born 1858, died 1862
VII.  William born Sept. 14 1860
VIII. Thomas born July 13, 1861
IX.   Harrison born March 19, 1865
X.    Jonathan born no date (1867?)
XI.   Ulysses G. born Jan. 26, 1869
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Ehodgso on Wednesday 15 December 21 00:25 GMT (UK)
In my history, Joseph is born 1830, married 1848 and on the 1851 census, the kids are correct.  Ann is 2 years younger.  The obituary must be wrong.
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Ehodgso on Wednesday 15 December 21 01:29 GMT (UK)
Ok, one more thing.  I got the 1834 birth year at st johns chapel from the wearhead museum.  They sent me 4 pages of ancestors from their data base.  They also had Josrph and Ann's marriage in 1850 at weadale

Also my first assumption for Ann and Mary's family is an 1841 census  with Richard and Elizabeth as parents... children Mary age 12, Ann age 10, John age 7, Francis age 2, and a merry Crampton age 60 living with them. The residence note is frog hall in Weardale district, parish Stanhope

Page number 21, registration number HO107, folio, 308/57 . And affiliate image identifier GBC/1841/0308/0257 & PARENTID equals GBC/1841/0013032455

I found it thru damily search.
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: sueellio on Wednesday 15 December 21 10:24 GMT (UK)
Wow, that's an amazing family history that someone spent the time documenting.
The Weardale museum are usually spot on with their ancestry. I'll have a look at all the info later
Seems odd that the obituary would be wrong, but of course Ann's death was before the family history was written in the 1920s.
Still , there's a difference of around 14 years between the 2 date of births and therefore her death age.
Is there a USA census record that gives her age? I can't see them on Ancestry as I don't have the correct subscription level.
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Ehodgso on Wednesday 15 December 21 12:52 GMT (UK)
I sent you a screen copy of the 1870 US census.  I shows Joseph and Ann, This would indicate Ann was born in 1833.  The census shows up on two consecutive pages. Notice on the last page Joseph's father Edward is listed. In my history it says after His wife Jane Hodgson died Edward came to live in the US.

If you have an account with Family Search.... the Mormon genealogy program..... you can access a lot of info.  It's free, and they don't try to convert you.

I also sent you the marriage licenses  for Ann and Mary that  upset my choice of Edward and Elizabeth as their parents.  I will send you the UK 1841 census.
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: sueellio on Wednesday 15 December 21 19:11 GMT (UK)
I sent you a screen copy of the 1870 US census.  I shows Joseph and Ann, This would indicate Ann was born in 1833.  The census shows up on two consecutive pages. Notice on the last page Joseph's father Edward is listed. In my history it says after His wife Jane Hodgson died Edward came to live in the US.

If you have an account with Family Search.... the Mormon genealogy program..... you can access a lot of info.  It's free, and they don't try to convert you.

I also sent you the marriage licenses  for Ann and Mary that  upset my choice of Edward and Elizabeth as their parents.  I will send you the UK 1841 census.

Thank you. I see in the record it says her birth year was 1833, but  I can't see what the age reads in the actual census (just checking there's not a transcription error there)
Looking at the certified copy of the marriage certificate of John (Son of Edward) and Ann Wearmouth (daughter of Thomas) it states they were both minors, so she definitely wasn't born in 1820.
I'm still puzzled by the obituary though. I can't see it too well. Is the year of marriage 184?
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: sueellio on Wednesday 15 December 21 19:17 GMT (UK)
I sent you a screen copy of the 1870 US census.  I shows Joseph and Ann, This would indicate Ann was born in 1833.  The census shows up on two consecutive pages. Notice on the last page Joseph's father Edward is listed. In my history it says after His wife Jane Hodgson died Edward came to live in the US.

If you have an account with Family Search.... the Mormon genealogy program..... you can access a lot of info.  It's free, and they don't try to convert you.

I also sent you the marriage licenses  for Ann and Mary that  upset my choice of Edward and Elizabeth as their parents.  I will send you the UK 1841 census.

I'm laughing. Yes, I use family search.
Title: Re: Wearhead family in Weardale, Cherry Tree House
Post by: Ehodgso on Wednesday 15 December 21 20:15 GMT (UK)
I will message you a clearer image   The obit says she was born Oct 1820, married in 1848, came to america 1851

The damily history says nothing about birthyear, marriage in 1848, and came to America in 1854, moved to Ohio USA in 1856, and died 27 Jul 1905.

My cousin in SanFrancisco and I have not been able to locate any other information.  Be aware that my history document had several errors.  Burtree ford was Breyreford, Six days work farm (Six Dargue) was dalled Sisodorgue, and high Rigg was high ridge.  I found a recording they made of an old Burnhope sheep farmer, we couln NOT understand him, so i can see a young ohio farmer's daughter getting that wrong.... maybe she was confused on years too.  But this is still very confused.  Also note in the obit that she has a sister over 80 years old.  I am convinced this is Mary Pattinson.... not Patterson as stated in the history.  She was the Aunt referred to along with the mystery grandmother that stated "how frightened they were"