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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: Jane190 on Tuesday 09 November 21 04:00 GMT (UK)
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Hi everyone!
I‘m looking for the right baptism of my ancestor Mary Hitchman who married William Goddard in Wantage 1821. Are there more information about witnesses ?
Old post -> https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=834333.0
She died in West Ilsley in 1850 age 55. Can someone tell me on what day she died or was buried?
Possible candidates are:
Mary Higgs Hitchman b. 1795 Wantage daughter of Ann
Mary Hitchman b. 1796 daughter of William and Elizabeth
There’s also an Mary Hitchman b. 1800 Wantage daughter of Ann Hitchman maybe the same Ann who had Mary Higgs Hitchman in 1795 maybe she died ?
a Mary Hitchman marries George Hull in Wantage 1816, when did she die?
I just want to find the right Mary Hitchman and don’t want to trace the wrong family and wrong ancestors :-\
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She died in West Ilsley in 1850 age 55. Can someone tell me on what day she died or was buried?
Burial date is 10 Jul 1850
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At marriage, they are both of Grove.
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The Genealogist only had typed copies of the register, but it does say they were both of Grove the entry is followed by a small p and a capitol W.
Not sure which one or both widowed.(if that is what the W stands for)
The small p perhaps for of the parish.
Another entry for Richard Hitchman to Elizabeth Boots 1 October 1821 just says both of Grove
William Kent to Mary Hitchman 14 October 1821 is also followed by a small p and capitol W, both of Grove.
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I have just paged to the front of the book on FindMyPast hoping to see a key, but nothing.
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Page 2 of the typed transcriptions printed 1908, it says abbreviations used w for widow/widower,
s -spinster, p- of the parish etc.
I was puzzled as it was a capitol W not lower case, because an earlier entry 8 September 1821 of
Jonathan Wellavise, w to Mary Ann Humphries. This one lower case following his name would indicate a widower, yes?
Can the W be for Wantage as in from Grove but married at Wantage.
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It says both of Grove, parish Wantage.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9B8-27MD
Another one!
Next page, 14 Oct 1821
William Kent + Mary Hitchman, both of Grove, parish Wantage
The marriage before that is Richard Hitchman (or Hichman) and Elizabeth Boots, both of Grove, (comma there, but no p. W.!)
And this one at Wantage
a Mary Hitchman marries George Hull in Wantage 1816
11 Oct 1816
George Hall, of Grove, parish Wantage + Mary Hitchman (of ?)
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Grove didn't become an ecclesiastical parish until 1835.
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/BRK/Grove
Maybe some Grove residents in the 1820s were married in Grove chapel (then in the parish of Wantage) and others were married in Wantage parish church
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According to the Victoria County History (1924) Grove was said to have had a chapel dedicated to St John the Baptist which was destroyed in 1733. A new church was built in 1832, and a new ecclesiastical parish formed three years later.
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/BRK/Grove
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So Grove was without a chapel for around a 100 years, then Grove residents must have all been married in Wantage. Possibly whether "p. W" was written or not depended on who wrote the original record, and the transcriber just copied what was written (as indeed they should)
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Another take (sorry!)
Berkshire Chronicle, 17 November 1832
GROVE CHURCH, WITH PARSONAGE AND ENDOWMENT.
THE Hamlet of GROVE, in the parish of Wantage, containing a population of 520, had formerly a small Chapel, attached to the Church of England ; but this Chapel having been long in a state unfit for Divine Service, Grove remained for many years destitute of a place of worship according to the Established Church. In the summer of last year a plan was entered into for building a new church, and supplying a residence and endowment for a minister. The church is built, and was consecrated on the 14th of August last, by the Bishop of Salisbury. The Parsonage House is nearly completed, and the minister is already resident. The old Chapel has been put into a state of repair, and assigned for the use of a Parish School.
Whatever, there are still two problems
1. Which Mary Hitchman married William Goddard in 1821?
2. No death certificate found for her (that one may be insurmountable!) At least there is the burial.
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Possible candidates are:
Mary Higgs Hitchman b. 1795 Wantage daughter of Ann
Mary Hitchman b. 1796 daughter of William and Elizabeth
There’s also an Mary Hitchman b. 1800 Wantage daughter of Ann Hitchman maybe the same Ann who had Mary Higgs Hitchman in 1795 maybe she died ?
There may be two Anns
There's an Ann Hitchman d/o William and Sarah bapt 1771. I think she married Edmund Roberts in 1803 and was in Marlborough in 1851
And an Ann Hitchman bapt in 1775 d/o George and Hannah. She is possibly the one who married Thomas Leach in 1806.
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There is an Ann Leach with a William and Mary Kent in Grove in 1841. So it looks like the William Kent Mary Hitchman couple who married in 1821,
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There is an Ann Leach with a William and Mary Kent in Grove in 1841. So it looks like the William Kent Mary Hitchman couple who married in 1821
Burial at Grove, 26 August 1849
Anne Leech
abode Grove
age 73
Do we have another missing death registration?
1851 census in Grove
William Kent Head 56 Shepherd
Mary Kent Wife 52 Ag Lab, born Berkshire Grove
William Kent Son 19
Eliza Kent Daur 13
Elizabeth Kent Daur 9
(all three children born Grove)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG1H-KFF
Births
KENT, Female
Mother's Maiden Surname: HITCHMAN
GRO Reference: 1838 D Quarter in WANTAGE UNION Volume 06 Page 236
KENT, ELIZABETH ANN
Mother's Maiden Surname: HITCHMAN
GRO Reference: 1842 S Quarter in THE WANTAGE UNION Volume 06 Page 253
1861 in Grove
William Kent 63
Mary Kent 61, born Grove
Both Ag Labs
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M78G-7Q6
Possible death, age is up
Dec 1865 Wantage 2c 214
Kent, Mary
age 69
Burial at Grove St James, 15 Oct 1865
Mary Kent
abode Grove
age 69
William Kent buried at Grove, 26 Oct 1862, age 67 (died 22 Oct). Abode Grove.
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I have tried to put family groups together unfortunately it hasn't helped.
Benjamin H who married Rachel Bond 1826 I can find no children and in 1851 it appears his mothers name is Martha. (Hickman on ancestry)
Richard H who married Elizabeth Boot 1821 had Mary, Sarah, William, Joseph and Robert.
For your Goddard family I cannot find that any Hitchman used Leticia or Jemima, have you tried Oxfordshire, lots of Hitchman's there. Or do you think they are from the Goddard side?
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Wow I did not expect to get so many messages in such a short time! Thank you!
I would say that Mary Higgs Hitchman b. 1795 daughter of Ann is the one who married William Kent because her date of birth is around 1796 and Ann Leach nee Hitchman was with them on the 1841.
I think my Mary Hitchman is the one who was born 1796 in Wantage daughter of William and Elizabeth. She died 1850 age 55 but the GRO has no entry for her.
@amondg
William Goddard who married Mary Hitchman in 1821 had a sister called Letty Evans I think it’s short for Leticia so the name is from the Goddard side of the family.
I also tried to join different family history societies to research my family for example Sussex,Berkshire but I don’t have PayPal or a credit card just debitcard. It’s easier to work with images transcriptions or indexes
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Who are William Goddard's parents?
I wondered why neither of the girls were named for anyone from her family
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William Goddard was born in East Hendred 1792 son of John Goddard(1747-1831) and Betty Evans(1758-1841)
I’m not from the UK so I’m not familiar with the naming pattern in the UK or traditions
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I also tried to join different family history societies to research my family for example Sussex,Berkshire but I don’t have PayPal or a credit card just debitcard. It’s easier to work with images transcriptions or indexes
Hi Jane,
Debit cards are fine for online payments. I'm in Australia and also don't have a credit card or PayPal account, but I've made debit card payments to various countries for goods and services. Never had a problem :)
Carol