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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Shropshire => Topic started by: PhilGH on Thursday 04 November 21 22:28 GMT (UK)
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I’m trying to find more information about my great grandfather, John Bigglane,1853-1904. He is recorded in the 1891 and 1901 censuses living in Newcastle-under-Lyme, Staffordshire with a birth location of Wellington, Shropshire. He married Norah Herrity in 1883 in Newcastle-u-L and died in Dec 1904, sadly just a few days after the death of his son John Patrick Bigglane.
I haven’t found any records of him before 1883. There is a John Biglean born in 1853 in Wellington who briefly raised my hopes but he appears to have died in 1855.
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John Biglean who died in 1855 was aged 57, so maybe don;t give up on the 1853 birth
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This husehold in Wellington from 1851 may be worth looking at. All born Ireland. This is as transcribed on Ancestry, but the Bylands all look like they could be Bigland, similarly JOhn at the bottom of the list, who is I think the 1855 death
Thomas Henry 23
Catherine Henry 19
Mary Henry 12
Richd Byland 55 - married
Margret Byland 53 married
Mary Byland 52 - unmarried
Bridget Byland 12
Phebe Dogerty 58
Catherine Dogerty 38
Thomas Dogerty 4
Ann Dogerty 2
John Bijlaw 53
HO107; 1997; 159; 27;
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this is for other members to read in case family members appear in their tree
John Bigglane was a man born in 1853 in Wellington Salop Newcastle Under Lyme. During the 1891 UK Census he was 38 years old and lived in Staffordshire. He appears as the head of his house in the 1891 UK Census.
LAST NAME: Bigglane
FIRST NAME: John
MIDDLE NAME:
BIRTH YEAR: 1853
BIRTH PLACE: Wellington Salop Newcastle Under Lyme
COUNTY: Staffordshire
AGE: 38
GENDER: Male
RESIDENCE: 3, Ford's Yard
Newcastle Under Lyme
Newcastle Under Lyme, Staffordshire
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
John Bigglane (38, Male)
Annie Bigglane (27, Female)
Ann Bigglane (6, Female)
Mary Bigglane (5, Female)
Ellen Bigglane (3, Female)
Catherine Bigglane (1, Female)
Edward Herrithy (55, Male)
Briget Herrithy (54, Female)
Thomas Herrithy (21, Male)
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just to point out - Herrity is spelt wrong - so could the Bigglane surname be spelt wrong as well ??
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just to let you know
www.freebmd.org.uk
biggland
all events
1839 - onwards
NO RESULTS
SO the surname wasn't Bigglane - seems to be a mispelling from the census enumerator ??
just checked marriage - spelt Biglane - only one g
Births Mar 1884 (>99%)
Biglane Ann Newcastle L. 6b 75
Births Mar 1886 (>99%)
Biglane Mary Newcastle L. 6b 65
Births Mar 1888 (>99%)
BIGLANE Ellen Newcastle L. 6b 73
Births Jun 1890 (>99%)
Biglane Catherine Newcastle L. 6b 66
Births Jun 1892 (>99%)
Biglane Margaret Newcastle L. 6b 71
Births Sep 1897 (>99%)
Biglane Edward Newcastle L. 6b 62
Births Mar 1900 (>99%)
Biglane Winifred Newcastle L. 6b 42
Births Sep 1902 (>99%)
Biglane Frances May Newcastle L. 6b 46
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A lot of Biglane still in Stafford to this present day :)
did you notice John Patrick Biglane died in Lichfield aged 9
John Biglane died in Stoke on Trent aged 44 ... 41 miles apart ??
are you sure John Patrick Biglane was Johns son ??
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I’m trying to find more information about my great grandfather, John Bigglane ....He married Norah Herrity in 1883 in Newcastle-u-L
What information does the marriage certificate give for his father
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The inquest into the death of John Biglane, Staffordshire Sentinel, 24 Dec 1904, gave his age as 44.
FindMyPast has a John Bislane (as transcribed), age 8, boarder, on the '61 Census, born Wellington. The entry above is Ann Biglane (as transcribed), age 40, widow, boarder, born Ireland.
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brilliant - Hanes Teslu
that would explain why the FIRST Biglane on freebmd isn't until 1858
looks like they came over from Ireland ...great work ...explains a lot as well - enumerator getting the info from a broad Irish man / woman - probably wrote down as he heard it
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Phew so much information to sift through. Thanks everyone.
are you sure John Patrick Biglane was Johns son ??
This is one of the few things I can be sure of as he’s on a list of burials in Newcastle-u-L as the son of John and Norah. He died at Burntwood Asylum, Lichfield.
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ah - in an Asylum - that would explain it then ...cheers
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The inquest into the death of John Biglane, Staffordshire Sentinel, 24 Dec 1904, gave his age as 44.
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This is slightly curious. His burial record also shows 44. However the 1891 and 1901 census have him as 38 and 47 so I assume there’s been a misunderstanding somewhere. Not surprising given the emotional turmoil which must have being going on in the family at that time with the death of the son followed shortly after by the death of the father.
Thanks for pointing me at that Sentinel article. I knew he’d died in an accident at work but didn’t know the details. Sounds gruesome.
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Did you spot the item in the Staffordshire Advertiser, 11 Nov 1905, re Norah?
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Did you spot the item in the Staffordshire Advertiser, 11 Nov 1905, re Norah?
Hanes Teulu - I can find an article for 11 February 1905 about the compensation awarded (£192 - worth about £25,000 today) but can’t find one for 11 November 1905.
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brilliant - Hanes Teslu
that would explain why the FIRST Biglane on freebmd isn't until 1858
looks like they came over from Ireland ...great work ...explains a lot as well - enumerator getting the info from a broad Irish man / woman - probably wrote down as he heard it
I would be fairly sure the Bigleans and Big(g)lanes are the same family. There are all these burials Wellington, All Saints
Michael Biglean 12 Aug 1849 Aged 25
Ellen Biglean 11 Jun 1852 Aged 23
Margaret Biglean 29 May 1854 Aged 16
James Biglean 10 Dec 1854 Aged 60
Margaret Biglean 7 Jan 1855 Aged 58
John Biglean 28 Sep 1855 aged 57
Thomas Biglean 12 Apr 1856 Aged 1 [John's brother - both have mmn Scott]
Some of these turn up on the death registrations with different spellings, including Biglan
Some can be connected to the Byland/Bigland family in Wellington in 1851. Others may have come from Ireland between censuses (or indeed been noted here and then returned to Ireland)
As an example Thomas Henry in the 1851 census I found marries a Mary Biglean - she's b c1833 so not with the others on the 1851 census
I can't find any other Biglean/Scott births, which would suggest arrival in England or marriage around 1851/2 and one or both parent died around the time of Thomas' birth
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Did you spot the item in the Staffordshire Advertiser, 11 Nov 1905, re Norah?
11 Feb it is - wonder where the Nov came from!