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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: AdHickey on Tuesday 02 November 21 22:23 GMT (UK)
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Hi there, the address of Patrick's birth is 4 Bright St Dennistoun in 1878, he is still there in the 1881 census as a 5 year old but his mum has died, his auntie and family have moved in. I cant find a census return for 1891, Patrick then marries Bridget Geraghty in 1908 and their address is 176 Garngad Rd. But I cannot find a census return for this as I'm not sure where Garngad was classed as being in 1901/1911. They are both still alive at the time of these census...Any suggestions on what I can do?
Thanks x
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The index to the 1911 census lists just two Patrick O'Donnells in the City of Glasgow. Only one is aged 32, and he is listed in Garngadhill.
At the same address is Annie O'Donnell, 26.
I suggest that you look at that record and see what it tells you.
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A family tree on Ancestry has the following:
patrick O'Donnell from tree Hickey Family Tree
Record information.
Birth 9 Jul 1878 Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Residence 1881 Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Marriage 31 Dec 1908 Lanarkshire, Scotland
Death 21 May 1936 Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Record information.
Father john o'donnell (1845-1902)
Mother Bridget McCabe (1847-1881)
Spouse bridget geraghty (1884-1949)
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A family tree on Ancestry has the following:
patrick O'Donnell from tree Hickey Family Tree
Record information.
Birth 9 Jul 1878 Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Residence 1881 Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Marriage 31 Dec 1908 Lanarkshire, Scotland
Death 21 May 1936 Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Record information.
Father john o'donnell (1845-1902)
Mother Bridget McCabe (1847-1881)
Spouse bridget geraghty (1884-1949)
That my tree! yes I have that info but I cannot find his movements after his wife died in 1881 until he dies in '36
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The index to the 1911 census lists just two Patrick O'Donnells in the City of Glasgow. Only one is aged 32, and he is listed in Garngadhill.
At the same address is Annie O'Donnell, 26.
I suggest that you look at that record and see what it tells you.
Thanks for that, after I searched now on Scotlands records for Patrick on the 1891 census being 27 years old, I get one in Bothwell - is that it, I dont know where that is?! I've spent a fortune buying credits to check them and then they are wrong so dont want to chance it anymore?! Thanks
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The SP index lists the death of Bridget Geraghty, other surname O*d*n*l*, aged 65, in Springburn in 1949.
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The SP index lists the death of Bridget Geraghty, other surname O*d*n*l*, aged 65, in Springburn in 1949.
Hi thanks, I have all birth and death certs just trying to find addresses
Thanks x
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The index to the 1911 census lists just two Patrick O'Donnells in the City of Glasgow. Only one is aged 32, and he is listed in Garngadhill.
At the same address is Annie O'Donnell, 26.
I suggest that you look at that record and see what it tells you.
Thanks for that, after I searched now on Scotlands records for Patrick on the 1891 census being 27 years old, I get one in Bothwell - is that it, I dont know where that is?! I've spent a fortune buying credits to check them and then they are wrong so dont want to chance it anymore?! Thanks
Why would you search for him being 27 in 1891 if he was born in 1878? he would be 12 or possibly 13 on the date of the 1891 census depending on when he was born in 1878.
Bothwell is not part of the city of Glasgow. It is a parish and town further up the Clyde, about 12 miles south-east of Glasgow.
There are a 12-year-old Patrick O'Donnel (only one l) in Shettleston and an 11-year-old one in Bridgeton in 1891. Those are the only records of a P*t*r* O*d*n*l* of the right sort of age in the city of Glasgow in 1891. There are also two 12-year-olds, a Patrick in Edinburgh and a Peter in Stirling. (Peter and Patrick are used interchangeably in Scotland, so if you are looking for a Patrick and can't find him, try Peter, and vice versa.)
Have you looked at the 1911 census listing I suggested in Reply#4 above?
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just trying to find addresses
In that case I recommend searching the Valuation Rolls on SP.
Start by looking for Bridget in 1940, then work back from there looking for Patrick.
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Have you looked at the 1911 census listing I suggested in Reply#4 above?
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ignore all the 1st stuff, I'm mixing up chats!
Well I have just looked at your suggestion, it wasnt coming up as it doesnt have the apostrophe then!
I think it was 6 more credits wasted as it seems that Annie was his childless wife at that time and according to everything else he was still with Bridget and with many kids!
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I wonder if they could have gone back to Ireland for a while?
Do you have a list of all their children, and are there any gaps whch might suggest a birth in Ireland?
Also, try the 1901 and 1911 censuses of Ireland - they are free to view online at http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/
Alway best to use wildcards, and strip the name down to the bare minimum - o*d*n*l for O'Donnel(l), p*t*r* to pick up both Patrick and Peter, and b*r*d* to find Bridget and her variants.
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I wonder if they could have gone back to Ireland for a while? Do you have a list of all the children, and are there any gaps whch might suggest a birth in Ireland?
well they were born in Scotland so would they go "back"?
1881 I have 4 Bright St
1891 he'd be about 13, cant find anything
1901, he was in the army so thats probs why cant find anything but his attestation papers (1898) say Garngad with his dad John
1908 he marries Bridget - Garngad Rd
1911 he'd be about 32 - nothing
when he dies in '36 him and Bridget are living at Garngad
So I'm not sure where Ireland would fit in? I have 2 kids born after 1915 in Glasgow but there are 3 that I cannot find records for? In all my Ireland research it seems everyone was getting out of there in the 1900s not going there?!
Also, try the 1901 and 1911 censuses of Ireland - they are free to view online at http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/
I'll check that thank you x
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So I'm not sure where Ireland would fit in? I have 2 kids born after 1915 in Glasgow but there are 3 that I cannot find records for? In all my Ireland research it seems everyone was getting out of there in the 1900s not going there?!
It's always worth a look.
You might be surprised at how much coming and going there was between Ireland and the West of Scotland.
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You might be surprised at how much coming and going there was between Ireland and the West of Scotland.
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Ive just done a quick census search in ireland and a birth search and nothing, he was a steel worker when he came out of the army, did people leave Glasgow to go somewhere for the steel work?
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Might have done. People did go to England and to the USA and then come back again.
How did you get on with the valuation rolls?
Maybe you'll just have to wait until the 1921 census is released next year.
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The SP index lists the death of Bridget Geraghty, other surname O*d*n*l*, aged 65, in Springburn in 1949.
what is the SP index?
sorry Scotlands People - get it now!
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Might have done. People did go to England and to the USA and then come back again.
How did you get on with the valuation rolls
Ive never used them before - didnt know you could do that!!
Anyway I found an entry for 4 Bright St but nothing comes up for Garngad Rd - at all?!
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That's odd.
See the attached.
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That's odd.
blwmin 'ec I tried all sorts - thanks for, Ill try again, still got a huge gap in the story though, it'll be great when I sort it...thanks x
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Just put o*d*n*l* in the surname box and garngad in the place box. Patrick is listed from 1920 until 1935, and Bridget in 1940.
There 19 listings of p*t*r* o*d*n*l* in 1915 in Glasgow.
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Just put o*d*n*l* in the surname box and garngad in the place box. Patrick is listed from 1920 until 1935, and Bridget in 1940.
There 19 listings of p*t*r* o*d*n*l* in 1915 in Glasgow.
Oh how exciting - I will have a look! Never used that part of it before!