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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: HeatherCook on Saturday 30 October 21 03:27 BST (UK)
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I was wondering if anyone has been able to successfully connect the various Annett families of Cargans and Tandragee. We have DNA matches in particular to descendants of Thomas Annett & Sarah Geddes and his contemporary Thomas Annett & Elizabeth Tolley. We have connections in Cargans from Redpath, Bennett, Whitten, Heak & Annett. Thanks in advance for any ideas. :)
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Dates?
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James Redpath m Ann Jane Annett (daughter of Thomas Annett & Sarah Geddes) 28 Oct 1862 Tandragee Presbyterian Church. We have DNA matches to descendants of this couple.
David Annett (son of Thomas Annett & Sarah Geddes) m Elizabeth Heak 27 Jun 1889 Ballymore Parish Church.
Then there is Thomas Annett (son of Thomas Annett & Elizabeth Tolley) m Catherine Redpath 14 Aug 1856 Kilkee Co. Down. We have a lot of DNA matches to descendants of this couple.
So one might think that it is a Redpath only connection however we also have
Elizabeth Jane Annett (daughter of Thomas Annett & Elizabeth Tolley) m Joseph Crawford whose descendants are also a DNA match.
John Whitten (son of Robert Whitten d 1865 Cargans and left a Will) m Sarah Annett (daughter of William Annett of Cargans) 12 Oct 1854 Ballymore Parish Church is also a connection.
At Cargans there is also a DNA link to the descendants of Andrew Heak m Susannah Whitten (daughter of Robert Whitten d 1865 Cargans and left a Will) 1840.
So I am wondering if anyone already knows of the relationship between the various Annett families, Redpath & Whitten families who were intermarrying around Cargans, Tullyhue, Tandragee.
Any ideas would be very welcome, thanks :)
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Then there is Thomas Annett (son of Thomas Annett & Elizabeth Tolley) m Catherine Redpath 14 Aug 1856 Kilkee Co. Down.
Here's the link to the marriage-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1856/09511/5447504.pdf
Marriage solemnised at Kilkee, Co Clare.
KG
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Hello, my great grandmother was Bessie Ann Redpath- She was born to James & Ann James Redpath of Cargans on 10/25/1870. I live in the US and would so love to connect with any family I may have still in Ireland. I plan to go there eventually when I am able to. I understand there was a farm there that I have never been able to locate. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Mary
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Hello, my great grandmother was Bessie Ann Redpath- She was born to James & Ann James Redpath of Cargans on 10/25/1870. I live in the US and would so love to connect with any family I may have still in Ireland. I plan to go there eventually when I am able to. I understand there was a farm there that I have never been able to locate. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Mary
This looks to be James Redpath in the 1901 census. He was living with his son Thomas who was a farmer.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Tandragee_Rural/Cargans/1020986/
Looking at the Valuation revision records on the PRONI website, Thomas Redpath is shown on plot 6 which was a 25 acre farm. Today that’s up a lane at the point where the Madden Rd meets Cargans Rd. It looks from Google Earth to still be a working farm today.
https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch
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Welcome to RootsChat, Mary :)
HeatherCook (the OP) was online here earlier in August, and should receive an e-mail about your response.
....Thomas Redpath is shown on plot 6 which was a 25 acre farm. Today that’s up a lane at the point where the Madden Rd meets Cargans Rd. It looks from Google Earth to still be a working farm today.
From Elwyn S's find here are some further links from Google Earth, OpenStreetMap and Google Maps.
Google Earth view-
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01rsq/
OpenStreetMap-
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5275394#map=17/54.35732/-6.38955
Google Maps-
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01rsr/
KG
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....Bessie Ann Redpath- She was born to James & Ann James Jane Redpath of Cargans on 10/25/1870.
You probably have this, but here's the link to their marriage in 1862. James Redpath aged 21, Ann Jane Annett aged 20 and both living in Cargans. Married at Tandragee Presbyterian Church (then a Meeting House).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1862/09624/5490078.pdf
Cargans townland
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/orior-lower/ballymore/tanderagee/cargans/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5275394#map=12/54.3506/-6.3566
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Hi Mary, I am not sure if there are any living descendants of James & Ann Jane Redpath still in the Tandragee/Cargans area. Some years ago I corresponded with Ken Redpath (a descendant of your Bessie's brother) but have since lost touch. At that time he thought that the James Redpath family of Cargans and our Thomas Redpath (near Maddens Bridge as mentioned) were not connected but we have since had DNA matches with James Redpath's descendants proving they were related. James & Ann Jane are buried at the Presbyterian Churchyard in Tandragee. I have a photo of their gravestone taken 2013 but it failed to upload. Regards Heather Cook
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Hello Heather Cook,
I have a Thomas Annett (b.8 Feb 1881) at Drummnascamph, Rathfriland, whose f. was John Annett and m. was Sarah Bell.
Thomas m. Elizabeth Ann Irvine (1884 - 1931) of Drumlough on 6 Jan 1914 at Newry Registrar's Office.
Thomas was a horse trainer, as his father before him.
Thomas and Eliz Ann lived in Lisbane, Tandragee. I have this note in my Tree:- "Thomas never administered his wife's Probate and so it was left to (another) Lizzie Annett to do so. This may be the Lizzie mentioned in the Obit of William8 O'Neill" (1874-1941).
I have not followed up this connection. The exigencies of a dissolute life have finally caught up with me.
But I do hope this may be helpful and wish you and yours a very merry Christmas.
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I have a Thomas Annett (b.8 Feb 1881) at Drummnascamph, Rathfriland, whose f. was John Annett and m. was Sarah Bell.
Thomas m. Elizabeth Ann Irvine (1884 - 1931) of Drumlough on 6 Jan 1914 at Newry Registrar's Office.
Here are the links to his birth and marriage for others viewing-
Birth 1881
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02845/2042865.pdf
Looks more like the sixth rather than the eighth.
Drumnascamph townland
https://www.townlands.ie/down/iveagh-upper-lower-half/clonduff/rathfryland/drumnascamph/
Marriage 1914
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1914/09837/5572151.pdf
Thomas living at Newry Street, Rathfriland.
1911 census - Thomas with his parents.
House 92 in Newry Street (Rathfryland, Down).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Rathfryland/Newry_Street/258739/
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Some more links and information-
Thomas m. Elizabeth Ann Irvine (1884 - 1931) of Drumlough....
Lizzie IRWIN and her parents and elder sister - 1911 census.
House 4 in Drumlough (Rathfryland, Down).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Rathfryland/Drumlough/258511/
Birth of Elizabeth Ann IRVIN - 2 October 1884 at Drumlough. MMN O'Neill
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02673/1985086.pdf
Drumlough townland (west and south of Rathfriland).
https://www.townlands.ie/down/iveagh-upper-upper-half/drumgath/rathfryland/drumlough/
...and just to confuse things, here they are as IRVINE in 1901 census.
House 55 in Drumlough (Rathfriland, Down).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Rathfriland/Drumlough/1249880/
Isaac IRVINE married Susan ONEILL - 2 June 1875. Both living in Drumlough townland.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1875/11203/8105546.pdf
KG