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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: Colecam66 on Sunday 24 October 21 12:20 BST (UK)
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Hello everyone’ I have been trying to find an ancestor who as stated on his first borns birth certificate that he was from Prince Edward Island’ his name is Samuel Cameron and was born circ 1823. Samuel somehow travelled to Australia to marry Martha Taylor in 1852’ Melbourne Victoria. There are 2 more references to where he was from and they are on medical records stating he was a native from British Nth America and his death cert stating the same. I cannot find him in any records from PEI (birth’census) nor immigration records of him entering Australia. Was hoping for anyone specialising in record research for Canadian ancestors or’ any information on how i could find birth records so i can find out more about this side of my family. Im beginning to think it was not his first name? as there are no more Samuels descended down the line? His sons were not named after him’ they were William Alexander’ Thomas and James. Would be grateful for any assistance
Thanking you Kindly
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Sounds like a Scottish link doesn't it with the names Cameron and Alexander.
Maybe came to PEI from somewhere else :-\
Does the marriage have any more information? Not familiar with Australian marriage forms.
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Found a Samuel Cameron on England Dreadnought Seamans hospital admissions and discharges
He was born abt 1821 admission 23 Jun 1842 age 21
Admission place London
Birth place Prince Edwards Island
Last service "Gypsy Queen"
Nature of complaint looks very much like rheumatism
Date of discharge July 18
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Hello and thank you’ the marriage cert doesn’t state parents names unfortunately 😩. Also there are no references to family from the small bits of info i have found’ his inlaws the Taylors are always mentioned as in witnesses etc but no other Cameron folk. His was a very sad life as his wife died after giving birth to their 4th child’ a daughter named Letitia’then he became ill and his children were placed in “ care’ where Letitia died and also James. He was then involved in an insolvency case and was sent to prison for not being able to pay his creditors and then passed at age 45 ‘ buried in a paupers grave 😞. His sons William and Thomas survived and lived to good ages. I have had my DNA tested and Im not sure of how it all works yet but states my ancestors came from Scotland mainly Argyll and Bute?? The Taylor side are from Ireland and i have them right back to the 1600s but this Cameron side stops with Samuel who is my 3rd ggf. His occupations were stated as miner’ settler and labourer. The medical records that were found did state that he had been in the colony of Victoria Australia for 15 years and that was in 1863’ he died 1868. He may have enlisted? Maybe got to Australia that way? Thanking you both for your assistance 😊
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Do you know if Letitia was a common name in Australia at that time? Or, could she have been named after someone from Samuel’s side?
My mum’s uncle also had very unfortunate events during his lifetime. However, I always remember him smiling and enjoying life. Perhaps your Samuel had a positive outlook as well.
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Hi Lisa’Leticia was named after her Aunt on her mothers side. Is such an unusual name’ i thought anyway’ for that time 😊.
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Hiya - I see you are online .
does the name Arthur Morgan mean anything to you ? he has this familytree
https://gw.geneanet.org/arthurmorgan?n=cameron&oc=&p=samuel
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Arthur is obviously from the Martha Taylor family
Marthas parents are here
https://gw.geneanet.org/arthurmorgan?lang=en&iz=0&p=martha&n=taylor
Martha dad was from Northern Ireland
William Taylor
Born in 1773 - Drumcree, Armagh, Northern Ireland
Deceased 5 November 1843 - Derrycarn, Armagh, Northern Ireland, aged 70 years old
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Thankyou Garstonite’ yes he is my cousin who is also at the same roadblock as myself’ thanking you kindly for you’re help’ the Taylors were quite easy to follow’ unfortunately Samuels side is not 😩
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Samuel isn't a common given name amongst Cameron's but there are references to a W. Cameron in PEI from the 1800 which "if" William was the eldest son could reference his father.
Scot's in PEI arrived there as former military personnel who opted to take advantage of some land grants following the colonial war; from the clearances in Scotland where crofters emigrated to Canada. So you could look at these records (Loyalist and Emigrant Ships) which are available online.
The other is the PEI BMD Database http://www.gov.pe.ca/parosearch There is no birth of a Samuel Cameron but there are references under "Textual Items" which is where you will find W. Cameron and even a handful of S. Cameron's.
The other thing to remember there were a lot of Loyalists who arrived from the U.S. so you need to take that into consideration as the families place of origin.
Cameron is a very common surname throughout all of the British Isles so his family might not even be from Scotland.
Don
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I’ve been trying to find references to Cameron’s in PEI but have so far found nothing helpful. Something to keep in mind during your search: he might have had siblings. [When I was searching for a Stuart ancestor I thought she was an only child. Many years later, with the help of some RootsChatters, we found out that she had many siblings. Had I thought of looking for possible siblings, I might have found her years earlier.] 😉
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Apologies if this has already been mentioned…
Millipede found a hospital admission for a Samuel Cameron. Looking at that image…
His age is recorded as 21.
Admission date: 23 June 1842.
Years at sea, Merchant’s Service: 8 1/2.
While I believe vessel captains did employ young lads, I wonder why he would have left home at that age? Was he carrying on family tradition, did he lose his family, or was there some other reason?
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I live in Liverpool - the busiest Sea Port in the world mid 1800's -
a quote from Liverpools Seaman records
Cabin boys were usually 13–16 years old, but sometimes as young as 8, and also helped the cook in the ship's kitchen and carried buckets of food from the ship's kitchen to the forecastle where the ordinary seamen ate.
so that has surprised me - as young as 8 ?? still babies
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I didn’t realize they would have been that young nor did I know what their duties might have included. Thank you garstonite for the explanation. What a difficult life.
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I don't know the answer - but I do know many many families in Liverpool mid 1800's had between 10 and 20 children - so an 8 year old going to sea was one less mouth to feed ?? possible explanation ??
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Thanks very much everyone for you’re insight’ its so good to hear from you all’ and i need to definitely widen my search’ for years i have imagined Samuel just jumping on a ship to come to Australia in or around his 20s on his own maybe following dreams of finding gold’ i still have so much to learn with family researching 🤦♀️ Never would i have thought of Samuel possibly as a young lad starting his adventures and Don’ thank you also’ i just naturally thought Cameron being Scottish and following that lead’ Its always been on my mind that there are no more Samuels down the line of descendants’ all first born sons were William John and or Alexanders and Thomas. Ive even wondered if maybe Samuel and Martha knew each other before Australia’ as they were married within months of Martha arriving’ also strange to me is there were no babies for the first 3 years of marriage??? Ive noted during my other family research that a babe was usually on its way soon after marriage(no birth control etc) ???
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…Ive even wondered if maybe Samuel and Martha knew each other before Australia’ as they were married within months of Martha arriving’ also strange to me is there were no babies for the first 3 years of marriage??? Ive noted during my other family research that a babe was usually on its way soon after marriage(no birth control etc) ???
Could they have met through their church? If times were tough, marrying a church member might have been an option for Martha.
Is there a chance that the first child died? Or, could Samuel still have worked on a ship and was possibly sailing for a year or more after they got married?
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Lisa’ yes thats what i thought’ that Samuel was away for a time after marriage. They wedded in a church but with only 2 witnesses’ Ive never been able to find any wedding notices’ their witnesses were a John Holland and a Mary Taylor’ Im wondering if John was a fellow seaman as in Samuels insolvency case it stated that he loaned $50 pounds to John for his passage to England.