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Title: immigration records
Post by: ilovelucy on Monday 18 October 21 05:36 BST (UK)
Greetings fellow researchers!  I'm seeking some help on how I go about finding the records for my next piece of information. I recently discovered that a great, great uncle immigrated with his family from England to New Zealand sometime between 1856 and 1861.  His last child was born in England in 1856.  He was on the 1851 census but there was no trace of him on the 1861 census.  I have found the records of his family in New Zealand after that.  Now my question is how do I find immigration records for that period of time??  They lived in Northumberland and was there a port or ?? they usually left the country through?  I don't have a specific date or ship.  I did look on the New Zealand site and it seems that ships were coming from Australia.  I wonder if they stopped first in Australia??? I just don't know where to begin.....
Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: immigration records
Post by: mckha489 on Monday 18 October 21 05:50 BST (UK)
Have you looked here?

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1609792

Also, sometimes the passengers on ships arriving are named in Newspapers

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/

Title: Re: immigration records
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 18 October 21 07:34 BST (UK)
So, you are looking for emigration records from UK, and immigration records at the NZ end?

There are no passenger lists available before 1890 at the UK end.
You have to concentrate your search in NZ records.
Emigration was likely to be from Liverpool or London, but Glasgow may be a possibility.
Title: Re: immigration records
Post by: mckha489 on Monday 18 October 21 07:36 BST (UK)
Also, check their obituaries, sometimes they mention the ship they arrived on.
Title: Re: immigration records
Post by: ilovelucy on Monday 18 October 21 19:51 BST (UK)
Yes, I will try the obituaries.  I have been unable to progress through ship lists.  I don't think there are lists for that time.  I might also try voting lists, etc. in New Zealand to find them.  Thank you for responding to me. The newspapers are a good idea.  I got a free week about a month ago and found some relatives records from Canada.  I wasn't looking for this family at the time.
Again, thank you.
Title: Re: immigration records
Post by: mckha489 on Monday 18 October 21 20:00 BST (UK)
What are the names you are looking for?

And where in NZ did they go?
Title: Re: immigration records
Post by: ilovelucy on Monday 18 October 21 21:44 BST (UK)
Good afternoon,
The names are John Young (born 1812 in Berwick Upon Tweed, Northumberland) and his wife, Jane Todd (born 1814 in Berwick as well)  The children are James 1835, John Brice 1843, Ralph Todd 1846, Catharine 1850, Walter 1852, Thomas 1853, and Richard 1856. All the children were born in Berwick Upon Tweed, so they emigrated after 1856 but before 1861.
Any help would be appreciated.
Title: Re: immigration records
Post by: ilovelucy on Monday 18 October 21 21:49 BST (UK)
Oops!  Location in New Zealand.  At first it was Pukekohe East, Auckland, New Zealand.

The records have these locations:
Gisborne, East Coast, N.Z.
Auckland, N.Z.
Tauranga, Bay of Plenty, N.Z.
Title: Re: immigration records
Post by: Ashtone on Monday 18 October 21 21:51 BST (UK)
I might also try voting lists, etc. in New Zealand to find them. 

If you have an Ancestry world subscription check for your people in these record sets:

New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-1981.
New Zealand, Cemetery Records, 1800-2007
New Zealand, Marriage Index, 1840-1934

I've helped a friend research some of her family who emigrated to NZ circa 1854. They went via London. Fortunately, they became prominent business men in one of the major cities, so their obits helped a great deal.

Not surprisingly we couldn't find any passenger lists (from London) for them. But one of the obits mentioned the ship the family sailed on to New Zealand. Then we confirmed the voyage from London in newspaper reports.

One family member sailed to Oz then to NZ in 1853, before the rest of his family. We found him in this set:

Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839-1923
Title: Re: immigration records
Post by: Ashtone on Monday 18 October 21 22:03 BST (UK)
Error - deleted
Title: Re: immigration records
Post by: ilovelucy on Monday 18 October 21 22:33 BST (UK)
I'll try to find that Victoria, Australia list.  Thank you for the lead.
Title: Re: immigration records
Post by: mckha489 on Tuesday 19 October 21 04:07 BST (UK)
The African. Arrived Auckland January 28th 1860

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers?items_per_page=10&snippet=true&title=DSC&query=Walter+young&start_date=31-01-1860&end_date=31-01-1860


John, Jane, Ralph, Catherine, Walter, Thomas, & Richard Young
further down in the list are John & James Young.
Title: Re: immigration records
Post by: ilovelucy on Tuesday 19 October 21 06:56 BST (UK)
WOW!!!!!  Just heading to bed and checked my mail one last time before turning the computer off.  WOW!!!!  This is what makes ancestry research exciting.  And, humbling!  Thank you, thank you, thank you!
I feel like I caught the big one and I'm not even fishing!  Thank you all, friends at Roots Chat, who try to help each other in many ways.  What a night cap for me.
Title: Re: immigration records
Post by: mckha489 on Tuesday 19 October 21 10:46 BST (UK)
Glad I could find them.
It’s always satisfying to solve a problem.

Have since found a tree on Ancestry that had the information too!  There are a few photographs there too,
Title: Re: immigration records
Post by: ilovelucy on Tuesday 19 October 21 18:51 BST (UK)
Good news.  I will have to check that tree out. I would love to see the photos too.  So far I have been using FamilySearch and had found a tree there, but I think I am ready for ancestry again.  More work lies ahead.  Again, thank you.