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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: allans on Tuesday 12 October 21 11:22 BST (UK)
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I am looking for records relating to Loughborough House School, Brixton. Particularly who founded it and lists of head masters or teachers.
According to https://boroughphotos.org/lambeth/loughborough-house-loughborough-road-brixton-north/ (https://boroughphotos.org/lambeth/loughborough-house-loughborough-road-brixton-north/) it became a school in 1785.
Lambeth Archives don't appear to have any on-line searchable databases or indexes - or have I missed something?
Any pointers greatfully received.
Thanks
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Hi
Logbooks 1928-1960 seem to be at London Metropolitan archives.
You could try them.
Ciderdrinker
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Thanks - but I am interested in the 1750-1820 period.
Allan
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Previous thread:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=845626.0
There wouldn't have been any formal governmental records of such an institute at this time - there probably are records at Lambeth archive (tax etc) that refer to it but they may not be indexed/easily accessible.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Alumni_Oxonienses:_the_Members_of_the_University_of_Oxford,_1715-1886/Willett,_Thomas
- Thomas Willett is one name associated with them.
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/survey-london/vol26/pp108-122
- a bit of house history there
You might be able to piece together from newspaper etc. references a timeline.
https://archive.org/details/earlymarriedlife00staniala/page/2/mode/2up?q=%22Loughborough+House%22
- an earlier reference with a Rev. Perney in charge.
https://archive.org/details/jstor-41325389/page/n45/mode/2up?q=%22Loughborough+House%22
- 1804 reference with Rev William Hancock Roberts there
https://archive.org/details/sim_examiner-a-weekly-paper-on-politics-literature-music_1814-06-19_338/page/400/mode/2up?q=%22Loughborough+House%22
- Willett definitely there in 1814
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Rev Richard Turner insurance policy 1782
https://www.londonlives.org/browse.jsp?div=fire_1780_1785_367_98620&terms=Loughborough#highlight
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Thanks both.
Unfortunately due to health issues I am not able to travel to London to visit archives. I mada a request some time ago on lookups wanted for the insurance policy - but no takers yet.
WH Roberts was headmaster at the Royal Free School (Now Royal Grammar) at Worcester until 5 Jan 1788. He died in 1814. He was the son in law/brother of Turner below.
There are two (father and son) Rev Richard Turner.
Jnr died in Aug 1788. Turner Jnr published a book in 1783 which is noted as 'for the use of...Loughborough House School'.
Turner Snr died at the school in 1790. Turner Snr had previously opened a school in Worcester in the 1750's.
Was the insurance taken out by Snr or Jnr, when did they come to Loughborough House, was it Snr or Jnr that became the first headmaster? Was the school opend before their arrival?
The date on the original link above says school opened in 1785 - but that doesn't fit the dates above.
Always more puzzles
Thanks again for those pointers.
Anyone know of any directories or almanacs that might have list names etc for that area/date?
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"The young orator. Containing a collection of lessons, in elocution. Taken from the best English and French writers"
Author - Richard Turner
Printed - R Hindmarsh, No. 32, Clerkenwell Close, 1783
To the YOUNG NOBLEMEN and GENTLEMEN, receiving their education at Loughborough-House School, this collection, made with a view to assist you in acquiring the first principles of that most useful and desirable accomplishment - A JUST AND GRACIOUS ELOCUTION - is very respectfully dedicated and devoted by
Your affectionate friend
R Turner
Loughborough House, 1783
He produced something similar with Geography, 1787
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Just recalled spotting an item that referred to "Sarah Turner, Widow, Loughborough House School" - dated 1800 I think.
Which Richard married a Sarah?
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"Names of Proprietors of Unclaimed Dividends at the Bank of England - payable 5 July 1797 and not claimed by 1 Oct 1800"
Sarah Turner, Loughborough-House, Widow, no. of dividends 13
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His geography book, 9th edition published 1800, specifies " the REV R. TURNER JUN, LL.D, late of Magdalen Hall, Oxford"
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Snr married Sarah. Snr was Rev Dr Richard Turner LLD, Jnr was Rev Richard Turner, but he refers to himself as Dr & LLD in his will althought here is no eveidence he was entitled to those honours. Jnr wrote several books, early editions have him simply as Rev. Later, after his death, and perhaps confsuion because both were authors, the titles become confused. Also both went to Magdalen.
Just found a rref to Loughborough House Sch. for 1775 - but no further info, in "The Thrales of Streatham Park", letter about going to survey the school for her sson.
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The Earl of Chesterfield, Philip Dormer Stanhope in his letters to his son, Philip Stanhope, refers in one letter to his daughter in law (?) about sending the boys to school - and refers to Loughborough House.
The letter is not dated (other than "Thursday Morning") but the preceding letter is dated 16 March 1769 and the succeeding letter 11 October 1769. In the October letter he asks his daughter in law when she nexts sees the boys to tell "... Monsieur or Madame Perney ..." that when he visited the boys he had the "... Michaelmas Quarteridge ..." in his pocket but forgot to pay.
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Niced One - thats the earlist ref I have seen.
An ad. in Berows Journal dated 23 Dec 1756 indicates that Rev R Turner 'An academy will be opened in Cooken St (Copenhagen St today) after the holiday'.
It has been speculated that Rev Snr founded Loughborough School, so far the dates we have dont overlap. However your find metions 'Pernay' - I wonder if he was the head of Loughborough Sch in 1769! This might imply Rev Snr came later. Then again so far no proof Rev SNn was ever head, or Rev Jnr just that they were assoc with the school. The issurance mentioned earlier might indicate the position of Rev Turner who took out the insurance, but was that Snr or Jnr. Are we getting any nearer - duhh my brainhurts!!
I Found a ref in August 1775 (Gentleman's Magazine) that indicates Rev Perney of Loughborough House receives an Ecllesiastical Preferrement (promotion/new posting?) could this be when the Turner's move in?
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Pl. understand I'm not offering these posts as "your" Loughborough House". Rather, they are mentions of a "Loughborough House".
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Of course - more checking is required, however at first sight it looks correct.
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A book entitled "The Thrales of Streatham Park' https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Letters_Written_By_The_Late_Right_Honour/3a9CAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=stanhope+letters+loughborough+hosue+school&pg=PA208&printsec=frontcover (https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Letters_Written_By_The_Late_Right_Honour/3a9CAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=stanhope+letters+loughborough+hosue+school&pg=PA208&printsec=frontcover) Confirms Mr Perney at Loughborough House School, Brixton. His obit in the Gentlemans magazine Nov 1782 says Perney long of Loughborough House School, this might indicate the Turners arrived at that time.
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Things seem to dovetail nicely? Good to see you found the Earl of Chesterfield's letters.
FindMyPast has the burial (transcript only) of -
Bernard Perny, 15 Nov 1782, St Mary's Church Lambeth, residence Washway (Rev)
Thanks for the opportunity to contribute.
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Yes I found Chesterfields letters, thanks for the pointer. However I mis-posted the link, I meant to post https://archive.org/details/thralesofstreath00hest (https://archive.org/details/thralesofstreath00hest), which is also interesting and has accounts of children and the school.
Seems The house is in the Manor of Lambeth Wick, owned by the Archbishop of Canterbury. The manor was leased to Sir Stephen Fox in 1701 and the lease stayed with that family until the early 20th century, they were responsible for the development of Brixton. https://ovalhistory.co.uk/a-guide-to-each-street-in-my-project/brixton-road/ (https://ovalhistory.co.uk/a-guide-to-each-street-in-my-project/brixton-road/)
Now a new tack - Wiki for Sir Stephen Fox says he married (2nd mar) Christiana Hope (daughter of Rev Francis Hope). The headmaster of the school after William Hancok Roberts was, if I remember correctly was a Rev Hope. I wonder if there'sa connection.
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My mistake the later headmaster was Mr Hole - not Hope
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Thanks for confirming the URL you posted was not quite what it should be - harking back to a wonderful USA television series 1980/90s, which series which started "Confused - you soon will be", your URL reminded me of that.
Nonetheless, beginning to take shape.