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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Worcestershire => Topic started by: Black Sheep on Wednesday 22 September 21 20:24 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I am looking for help finding this family in Worcestershire prior to the 1881 Census.
1881 Census for Sheffield
Address 2 Court 6 Clifton StreetAttercliffe Cum Darnall Sheffield RG11 PN:4665 FN:? Page:313
Thomas Bates 28 1853 Head Stownbridge, Worcestershire Railway Porter
Clara Bates 24 1857 Wife Coventry, Worcestershire
Charles J F Bates 3 1878 Son Birmingham
Clara A Bates 1 1880 Daughter Burton On Trent, Staffordshire
Mary Ll Bates 2m 1881 Daughter Attercliffe, Yorkshire
I have found out that they were Married in Stourbridge in 1876 but can find no details of Birth or previous census returns...
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Clara's maiden name was Greenway.
Unless her age is way out there is a match on the 1861 b Coventry 1851
Marriage was 1875 not 1876. You need to buy a copy of the 1875 marriage cert to determine their respective fathers names
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Not sure if this is him, but a possibility?
Tavern St, Wakefield
William Beesley 29 - b Dudley
Mary Ann Beesley 30 - b Bilston, Staffs
Sarah Jane Beesley 5
Jeremiah Beesley 3
Mary Ann Beesley 1
Thomas Bates 18 - boarder b Dudley, Worcester. iron worker (puddler)
Mary A Armstrong 25 Visitor
David Armstrong 7 Visitor
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The three children showing in 1881:
GRO BIRTHS:
Charles Joseph Thomas BATES 1878 1Q 6D/304 Aston, Warwickshire mmn GREENWAY
Clara Adeline BATES 1879 2Q 6B/369 Burton on Trent, Staffs mmn GREENWAY
Mary Lilian K BATES 1881 1Q 9C/591 Sheffield, Yorks mmn GREENWAY
MARRIAGE:
At St Martin Parish Church, Gorton, Llancaster on 14 April 1900 Charles Joseph Thomas Bates, 22, a gas inspector of 4 Carley Street, son of Thomas Bates, a joiner married Eliza Jane Broadhurst, 22, a machinist of 9 Ainsworth Street, daughter of Joseph Broadhurst a mill-wright machinist
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Possible
1861 census Stourbridge
Sarah Bate widow 36
James Henry 10 (1850)
THOMAS 7 (1853)
Mary Ann 3 (1857)
Sarah 10 months (1860)
GRO Index all registered with mothers maiden name Barratt
1851 Census Stourbridge
William Bate 25 Glass Maker
Sarah 24
James Henry 9 months
William Bate married Sarah Barratt registered Stourbridge 1847
There is a death registered in Stourbridge for William Bate age 29 in 1860
1841 census Stourbridge
William Bate 45 not born in county Glass Maker
Hannah 40 born in county
Maria 20
WILLIAM 15 Glass Maker
Mary 10
Hannah 2 (GRO Index mothers maiden name Fellows)
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Re: Clara
Later census her age increases showing born circa 1852
GRO Index
Greenway Clara 1851 registered Coventry no mothers maiden name so Illegitimate
1861 census Coventry
Joseph Greenway 62 widow Weaver (1798-1872)
Clara Greenway 10 grand daughter
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Haven't found Clara 1871.
Her grandfather Joseph Bird Greenway married Lucy Bates 4 June 1820 St Michael Coventry
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Thank you all for your replies, you have found lots of information that I had not been able to find out and will be really useful.
GRO Index
Greenway Clara 1851 registered Coventry no mothers maiden name so Illegitimate
I have not come across anyone yet having no mother, I had guessed that maybe she was a daughter Joseph Bird Greenway. Is is normal to show no mother ?
Joseph Bird Greenway married Lucy Bates 4 June 1820 St Michael Coventry
oh no another Bates !!!!
BS
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She has a mother, children who are registered with no father named on the certificate are given the mothers surname.
The new GRO Index lists illegitimate children with no mothers maiden name, if the parents were married the child would have the fathers last name and the mothers maiden name would be also be listed.
Yes it is fairly common.
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Joseph Bird Greenway had 3 daughters found so far, Mary Ann 1825, Elizabeth 1827, and Esther 1829. Anyone of them could be the mother.
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Thank you amondg, much appreciated.