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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: emmadog on Monday 20 September 21 17:01 BST (UK)
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I was wondering if anyone could help date the boy in the attached photo. The girls are his sisters and the one on the left was born in 1903 and the elder one (my grandma) was born in 1897. I originally thought it was one brother born 1895 before I learned of the younger brother born 1901. Hopefully I can amend my tree and make sure it is correct.
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I would suggest this was taken around 1914/15 and he looks to be in his late teens. He appears to have what look like two wound stripes on his left sleeve.
Carol
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He looks about 15-16-ish to me, which would mean that it would be taken about 1916-1917, if he was the one born 1901.
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Looking at it again (enlarged) he does look older than I first thought - late teens, as Carol suggested.
Young sister, on left, looks about 13-14
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Wound stripes were introduced mid 1916 so that's the earliest this can be.
Also a L/Cpl. so more likely someone born 1891.
What are the sons names?
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I think Henry (1895) and Baden (1901), Jim
I looked last night so this from memory :) ;D
Add - I think this is the family in 1901 - much larger in the next one.
1901 - RG13/ 4812/ 68/ 36
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Firstly, that you for your prompt replies. Your information has helped me in confirming which of the brothers it is. I posted the photo in my tree thinking it was Henry Hansen b. 1895 not knowing there was William Hansen b. 1901. This would put him between his two sisters Elizabeth and Catherine as on the photo.
Gadget, you are correct in the family on both the 1901 and 1911 censuses even though some of the spellings and names are slightly different due to the father Christopher (born Hans Christian Hansen) was Norwegian.
I wonder if anyone can explain about the wound stripes? I have found Williams military record and it seems he was discharged due to a hearing impairment he got while in the merchant navy. Looking at his record the photo has to be 1920.
Thank you so much for clearing my foggy brain.
Emma.
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Ah I see.
I thought it was Baden but it was William, who doesn't show up until the 1911. They must have been very close in age - Baden Q3 in 1900 and William Q1 in 1902.
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I had never even noticed that. Just looked at my records and there was Joseph b jan 1899, Baden b. 24 June 1900 and William b. 19 Dec 1901. Poor woman had ten children!!
When I first started looking at family tree the problem was “ where do I start?” So I remember my grandma had brother named Baden and their surname was Hansen with an E, norwegian. That is where it all started for me and I’m still chipping away.
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Could it be Albert.
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Hi Jim, I’m pretty sure now that it is William as he is the only one that I can find military records for. All the others were shipyard workers or as William was first in the merchant navy. Thats something else to look for, William's merchant seaman records.
Emma.
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I don't think this can be someone born in 1901.
This man is wearing the pre 1916 economy tunic
so someone who enlisted pre-war - 1915.
William attested in 1920 as an 18 yo which was
the minimum age.
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Albert b.c. 1893
Christopher b.c. 1894
Henry b.c. 1896
Baden b.c. 1901
William b.c. 1902
Norman b.c. 1906
The two females are Catherine b.c. 1904 and Elizabeth b.c. 1897
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Did Elizabeth marry Q1 1919, Tynemouth?
She's not wearing a wedding ring in the photo so, if so, it's before then.
Forget that question as it was the wrong surname for the spouse. I see she married in 1923.
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There is an online tree which has the person in your photo as Henry Hansen. Also gives a WW1 record. Served 1914-1920. in RNVR
Also Baden, merchant seaman from 1916.
I'm not sure if it's your tree as it has a different name from yours - begins with S .
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Hi Gadget. I Have spent all afternoon trying to sort my head out. I seem to be getting myself more muddled but I an so grateful for the help I am getting. (Just wish my mam was still with us.)
The other tree that has my photo with permission is Henry’s grandaughter. Begins with S. She knew nothing about her grandfather or her grandmother as they both died when her mother was very young. She was brought up by Albert and his wife.
When looking through her tree I found she had a photo of Baden which was on tree through Baden’s wifes family from first marriage.
My tree is Hansen Slater tree and I have just uploaded the photo of Baden. I have never seen the Merchant navy record so thanks for that info.
I have just looked at the youngest son Norman but nothing came to light for him.
I have just read Jim’s last comment so I really don’t know.
An utterly puzzle Emma.
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It looks very much like a studio photo. Was there any surround or markings on the back that might help?
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I have had a look through photos from S and found this one which has photographer on bottom.
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I think that is a reprint from the original photograph and could have been done at anytime afterwards.
I've been looking at the various versions of the group photo on the site and I think the clearer versions make the person look older for some reason. I'd now say that he was in his late teens to twenty-ish. and is most like Henry.
The versions on the tree site have the borders on but there is no mark to identify the original photographer.
See if Jim or Carol have any more ideas.
Gadget
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Yes, I did notice the borders. I have never had the original, it was sent to me by my cousin who seemed to have the only photos
Thanks Emma.
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Nice work Gadget! The border around postcards disappeared around 1916 for economical reasons according to my postcard collectors book. I agree that the most likely candidate would be Henry.
Over half of the records from WW1 were destroyed during the blitz.
Carol
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Here's the link to the tree pic:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qy8/
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I think he could be in his early 20s now I have seen that clearer photo.
Carol
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Yes, that what I thought - Henry b.c 1896 :)
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This man has the shoulder title RF? = RFA = Royal Field Artillery.
He also has 2/3 stripes so a Cpl. or Sgt.
There is an Albert Edward Hansen RFA.
A.E. Hansen was promoted to Temp. Lt. Nov. 1914 so doesn't look
like your Albert.
Have you considered it might be a fiancé to one of them ?
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Hi all. Sorry I have not been on here for a while but spent so much time on my i pad that my fingers siezed up so they were pretty much useless.
I have been looking into the brothers and I now think our reasoning that it is as Henry on the photo. I did get in touch with Henrys grandaughter and she came up with a photo of medals given to both Henry and Albert. It turns out that Albert was in both army and navy and Henry was in the army.
I would just like to say a big thank you for all your help and information.
Thanks.
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Just a quick tidy:
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thank you or the photo but can only see the left side of it. can you tell me how to view whole picture. thanks Barbara.
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one way is to save it and preview
or scroll bar below photo
or....
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I usually click on the file name ( bottom left below the photo) or right click on the image. It will then give you a choice of how to view it or save.
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Thanks Gadget just done that. Think I’m suffering from brain freeze lately.
Barbara