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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: rogerb on Wednesday 15 September 21 14:52 BST (UK)
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I don't normally ask for help with general research but I have been stuck on this family for a long time! I think I have struggled with the apsotrophe! Here is what I know:
Susannah L'Ony was married to George Hassan in 1777 in Westminster (Father - John L'Ony). There is a christening for Susanna L'Ony in St Olaves on 27th July 1766 (Father - John L'Ony). At first it seems that she would be to young to be married, but the her burial record in July 1812 in Westminster gives her birth date as 1858 (aged 54). So I have assumed that she was christened as an 8 year old.
That's all I feel confident about. I have made a note about a will (found on Ancestry) which suggests John L'Ony (transcribed as John J'Ony) died in 1776 but I can't access it at the moment.
I tried searching J'Ony as well as L'Ony and all I could find were 2 marriages - Martha L'Ony to John Hollamby in 1771 and John L'Ony to Mary Rolls in 1778. I would like to find out more about these 2 families and if they were linked to Susannah
I also found a 1764 marriage between Susanna or Susannah Gilder and John Jony. But I can't really link them with my Susannah apart from the obvious connections of their first names.
And if this is correct then it throws further confusion on to the birth date of my Susannah.
So can anyone add anything to this and give me a little nudge in the right direction.
Roger
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I think you need to be looking at J'Ony records.
The J'Ony family were apothecaries in London in the C18th - I looked at some records about them a few years ago as they were connected to a family I researched for a client.
There are a number of family wills, BMD records and a Chancery case I seem to remember.
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Thanks - I'll give it a go.
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If you haven't already, I would recommend trying every mis-transcription you can think of and then thinking of some more.
Boutflowers/flours have been transcribed as Bootflour, Bootfour, Boltflour, Balflour, Baltflour, Boatflour, Bootflower etc.. etc.. My great great grandfather died at sea. I knew how and where he died from a family member but couldn't find the record until I put a random collection of letters into the search box and hit the jackpot.
Liony and Iiony might be worth a go.
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Try using wildcard searches, where ? replaces 1 letter and * replaces several letters. For Example ?'Ony should give you both L'Ony and J'Ony entries in a search.
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The 1776 will for J’ony leaves everything to his wife Susannah. So not overly helpful at this stage.
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I do normally try alternative spellings, but I haven't quite got around how to include apostrophes in searches. Even Google ignores me. I'm sure they are trying to be helpful, but...
I haven't even really worked out if the name was pronounced with an L or a J. I had always assumed L, as that was the first one that I came across so I assumed that J was the mistake. But from what Antony says earlier in the thread, maybe I have been focusing on the wrong letter.
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Thanks Lily. I would like to try to link the widow Susannah with my Susannah (Hassan). But the possible marriage and the date of the baptism are not helping!
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Not being facetious, but have you tried "Loony" and "Looney"?
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Thanks to Antony above, I have had a review of my documents and sure enough, it looks like the name is J'Ony. Look at the L in London and the J in John. Its so obvious, I don't know how I've missed it!
Roger
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Extracted from the poll books for the Mayor of the City of London, 1775
Under " Occupation - Goldsmiths" -
J'O'Ny John, Mark Lane
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List of the Livery of London, with their places of abode, and businesses under the heads of their respected companies, 1775
Goldsmiths
__Ony John, Mark Lane, tallow chandler
The image is of an open book but the fold in the book has obscured the initial letter/s. However, it follows what would appear to be "(J)efferies, Samuel, Hampton, Midx".
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FindMyPast Burial (transcript only)
John I'Ony, 23 Jun 1776, Parish St Olave Hart Street
Mark Lane runs into Hart Street. I cannot find mention of John I'Ony/J'Ony etc residing in the City after 1776 .
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Thanks for looking Hanes
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Just noticed I hadn't posted these two 1776 "sightings" under liverymen of the City of London -
St. Dunstan's Hill District
Mark lane
I'Ony John, goldsmith, tallow chandler
Iony Jn, Mark Lane, tallow chandler, goldsmiths
Might be worth checking with the Goldsmiths' Guild?
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FindMyPast - Middlesex Commitments
13. Sarah Innis, otherwise Jones, otherwise Allen, otherwise Williams ........
Detained on oath of John I'Ony, one of the Overseers of the poor of the parish of St. Olave, Hart Street, with having knowingly and designedly by false pretences, obtained from him £1 10s under pretence of being a pauper belonging to the said parish, with intent to cheat and defraud the said parish.
Dated Aug 14, 1775
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FindMyPast Burial (transcript only)
Susanna I'Ony, 1 Sep 1766, Parish of St Olave Hart Street
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Thanks again. There are a couple of unresolved issues that I have with this family group if you are interested in trying to solve.
So John J'Ony married Susanna Gilder in 1764.
They have a daughter Susanna, Baptised July 1766. So I suppose that the 1766 burial that you referred to could be either mother or daughter.
But there is a Susanna J'Ony who married George Hassan in 1777. She was a minor and her father was John J'Ony. See the extract I posted earlier today. (A Later burial in 1812 says she was born in 1858 so she couldn't have been the 1766 Susanna unless she was Baptised late. But then she wouldn't have been the daughter of John and Susanna.
There are 2 other J'Ony marriages where the father is called John. John (junior) and Mary Rolls 1778 and Martha J'Ony and John Hollamby in 1771. So it seems like there are 2 families but I can't seem to work it out!
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Also the J'Ony or L'ony surname could be French Huguenot, it would make sense as there were many who settled in Westminster in the late 1600s as well as Spitalfields.
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Some good detecting here. Well done.
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Mebbes De Launey?
Skoosh.
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Martha J'Ony who married John Hollamby was of St Olave Hart Street when she married 20 August 1771 by license.
Witness John J'Ony and Susanna J'Ony.
When John J'Ony married Susanna also at St Olave Hart Street, one witness was Martha J'Ony
Looks as though they may be brother and sister.
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"A new and compleat history and survey of the Cities of London and Westminster, the borough of Southwark and parts adjacent ...", author Henry Chamberlain, published 1770.
Amongst the list of subscribers -
Mr John L'Ony, Crutched Friars
Today, Crutched Friars is an extension of Hart Street.
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There is a will of Susanna J'Ony widow of St Olave probated April 1765, mentions daughters Mary Horton and Sarah Thrup? they get her wearing apparel. Balance to be divided equally between her children living at the time of her decease, no names listed. Executors are son Francis J'Ony and Grandson John J'Ony of Mark Lane.
Could this be your John?
Ref: ancestry Indexed as Jony
Also says translated from French
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Hello! I am a descendant of George Hassan and Margaret Candly, and their daughter Elizabeth Hassan born 1757!
I believe the younger George Hassan could be his son.
I came across Iony L’Ony marriage and gave it a google search and came across your post! J’Ony! I don’t know how to contact you directly on this website but I’ll keep checking to see if you message me, I’d love to connect.
My 6xGreat Grandmother Elizabeth Hassan married William Rupert Davids who I think was Ashkenazi Jewish. Some of my family that have done DNA kids have Ashkenazi and Iranian DNA in equal amounts. I have a feeling it’s from the Davids and Hassans.
Hope to chat soon,
Best wishes, Emily