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Title: 1861 Census York - Ronchetti
Post by: Brian on Wednesday 31 August 05 14:42 BST (UK)
Hello all
I'm looking for the family of Thomas Angelo Ronchetti b York about 1854.  He became a Chemist so it may be in the family?

Cheers

Brian :-\
Title: Re: 1861 Census York - Ronchetti
Post by: JGarratt on Wednesday 31 August 05 15:23 BST (UK)
This is what i found on the 1861 census for Thomas:

Hannah Gee 1812  Leeds, Yorkshire, England Sister-in-law Housekeeper
Thos A Ronchetti 1854  Leeds, Yorkshire, England Son Scholar
Ann Tate 1843  Pickering, Yorkshire, England Servant  Housemaid

Living at 27 St Nicolas St Scarborough

RG9/3619 Folio 35 Pg 14

Jeannette
Title: Re: 1861 Census York - Ronchetti
Post by: Brian on Wednesday 31 August 05 18:38 BST (UK)
Thanks Jeannette

...but who is the head of the household?  Does it say? ???
Title: Re: 1861 Census York - Ronchetti
Post by: JGarratt on Wednesday 31 August 05 19:42 BST (UK)
That is all it says on the census for that household, it does seem abit strange....

J
Title: Re: 1861 Census York - Ronchetti
Post by: JGarratt on Wednesday 31 August 05 20:02 BST (UK)
May have found alittle more for you, as Ronchetti is a unusual name....


1871:

Joseph Ronchetti 1810 Coma, Italy Head Occ Jeweller
Mary Ann Ronchetti 1814  Yeadon, Yorkshire, England Wife
Anne Victoria Ronchetti 1843  Yorkshire, England Daughter 
Maria Ronchetti 1845  Yorkshire, England Daughter
Elizabeth Ronchetti 1848  Yorkshire, England Daughter   
Sophia Ronchetti 1849  Yorkshire, England Daughter
 
Living at 11 Parliamont St, York

RG10/4745 Folio 59 Pg 12

1881:

Mary A. Ronchetti 1817  Yeadon, Yorkshire, England Head Occ Annuitant
Hannah Gee 1811  Leeds, Yorkshire, England Sister Occ Loding House keeper
Elizabeth Ronchetti 1851  Yorkshire, Yorkshire, England Daughter Occ Annuitant

Living at 9 Esplanade Gar, Scarborough

RG11/4804 Folio 70 Pg 12

Jeannette



Title: Re: 1861 Census York - Ronchetti
Post by: Brian on Wednesday 31 August 05 22:39 BST (UK)
I think you've struck Gold Jeanette, they are obviously all the same family -quite what was going on in 1861 we'll never know!  Many thanks for your help.
Brian
Title: Re: 1861 Census York - Ronchetti
Post by: lizziedrip on Thursday 01 September 05 12:02 BST (UK)
Might be of Interest to you.
Joseph Ronchetti married Mary Ann Gee 1842 Knaresborough.
Title: Re: 1861 Census York - Ronchetti
Post by: lizziedrip on Thursday 01 September 05 12:41 BST (UK)
I have found this family in 1861 Ref: RG9/3546 folio 42 page 12

Joseph Ronchette           1810 Italy      Head   Jeweller
Mary Ann Ronchette       1825 Yeddon  Wife
Mary Ann Ronchette       1845 York        Dau
Sophia Ronchette           1849 York        Dau
Elizabeth Ronchette       1846 York        Dau
Joseph Ronchette           1852 York        Dau

Sarah Milner                    1841 Leeds    Serv.

They were living in Parliament St. St Sampson, York.

Lizzie
Title: Re: 1861 Census York - Ronchetti
Post by: Brian on Thursday 01 September 05 13:22 BST (UK)
Thanks Lizzie
There are more questions than answers!  It would seem highly likely that these families are linked if not the same.  The wives being Mary Ann from Yeddon/Yeadon having different ages throws things - otherwise I would assume that Thomas was at school in Scarborough being looked after by his aunt Hannah in 1861.  There seems to be a link between Scarborough and York so perhaps it was living above the shop in York and a home in Scarborough.  I spent some time looking at BMD's last night and this would imply (never trust speculation!) that they are the same family and also Joseph jr went to Stockton on Tees as did Thomas.  I am well on the way to a tree and then have just to gather the primary evidence to prove it.  Thankyou both for your help.  Next I will look at The Historical Directories site to see if it throws any light on the situation!
Brian ;D
Title: Re: 1861 Census York - Ronchetti
Post by: philron on Monday 22 February 10 15:59 GMT (UK)
I may be able to help as Joseph Ronchetti of York was my great great grandfather. Please contact me (*)


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Title: Re: 1861 Census York - Ronchetti
Post by: sallyronchetti on Tuesday 02 October 18 15:38 BST (UK)
I realise this is a very old post but if I can fill any gaps for you I’d be only to happy to help. 

I have all the Ronchetti family details from Joseph onwards.

Sally Ronchetti
Title: Re: 1861 Census York - Ronchetti
Post by: philron on Tuesday 02 October 18 18:43 BST (UK)
Hi Sally,
Thanks for getting in touch. I am Philip Ronchetti descendant of Pietro Giuseppe Ronchetti who lived in York. I am most interested to communicate with you. Are you connected to the Manchester/ Worcester branch of the family (Barbara Ronchetti?). Can you email me at (*)

Looking forward to hearing from you.
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Title: Re: 1861 Census York - Ronchetti
Post by: sallyronchetti on Wednesday 27 March 24 17:04 GMT (UK)
Hi, my husband is a descendant.  Happy to help in any way.

Sally Ronchetti
Title: Re: 1861 Census York - Ronchetti
Post by: sallyronchetti on Wednesday 27 March 24 17:12 GMT (UK)
My memory is very poor I dont think we communicated further on this or did we?

I am interested in where Pietro came from as his name in his naturalisation papers was only Joseph.  His son seems to have registered his death adding the name Peter.  I have searched the Como birth records covering the years 1806-1816 and there is no Pietro Guiseppe Ronchetti only one Guiseppe Ronchetti born in 1810 which would match ours.  Maybe Peter was added after he came to England.  I would like to find his grave do you habe any idea where it is?  I have found his sons grave.

Sally

Sally
Title: Re: 1861 Census York - Ronchetti
Post by: philron on Thursday 28 March 24 11:05 GMT (UK)
Pietro Giuseppe came from Tavernerio, a small village a few kilometers east of Como. I do not have proof but it is highly likely, as several other Ronchetti's are known to have come from this place and were instrument makers. His father was possibly named Francesco and his mother Vittoria.
Pietro identified himself in England as either Peter Joseph or simply Joseph. He, his wife Mary Ann and his eldest son Francis are buried in the Victorian section of York cemetery. Sadly the grave is overgrown and the stone is badly deteriorated but the names are quite clear. An adjacent grave contains the remains of Hannah Gee (Mary Ann's sister), and Sophie and Elizabeth two daughters of Pietro and Mary Ann.
I hope this is helpful.
Title: Re: 1861 Census York - Ronchetti
Post by: sallyronchetti on Thursday 28 March 24 11:20 GMT (UK)
Thank you for replying so quickly.  I will go through the Como birth records again looking for a Taveneiro link.  If you are on ancestry I have some pictures in my tree including a portrait of him and Mary Ann.  I am not sure of their authenticity as it comes from another Ronchetti section.  I have also found a newspaper cutting dissolving a partnership with Joseph Ronchetti and Dominic Poncia in 1835 they were dealing in beads and foreign toys.  He must have gone into an apprenticeship to learn his trade shortly after that.  We are going to visit the lakes this summer and will make a trip to Tavenerio  and when we go to York will certainly look up their resting place.

We have a Ronchetti telescope which came with some details of the Ronchetti family and Tavernerio was mentioned in that.

Sally
Title: Re: 1861 Census York - Ronchetti
Post by: philron on Thursday 28 March 24 13:54 GMT (UK)
The two portraits are authentic and probably wedding portraits. I have written a fairly detailed family history which I would be happy to share with you. It is a Word document in PDF format. If you would like a copy text me your email address to 07989839125.
Philip
Title: Re: 1861 Census York - Ronchetti
Post by: Treetotal on Saturday 06 April 24 13:51 BST (UK)
Hi Philron. you need to remove your telephone number as it breaches the forum's Privacy Policy
to avoid identity theft. The Personal Messaging service is, as it says. for exchanging personal information.
Carol