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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Laois (Queens) => Topic started by: Vi5 on Tuesday 31 August 21 19:09 BST (UK)
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Hi - I'm looking to find the marriage or birthplace of Alice Cahill c1817 and John Shee.
They had three children as follows all baptised in Mountrath:
Bridget 1843
Mary 1845
Eliza 1848
The names Cahill and Shee don't seem to be very prolific in this area so not sure if they would have been born in the area.
Alice was in England and a widow on the 1861 census but I cannot find a death for John in Ireland or England.
Any help or ideas of where I could possibly explore would be great.
Vi
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Hi,
Civil records were introduced in Ireland in 1864.
Before then we relied on the church records, though deaths were not listed.
Only a few Catholic Parish books do have deaths.
Maggsie
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You perhaps already have sight of the baptisms.
Here is Mary - 16th February 1845
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634519#page/54/mode/1up
It shows the address as Coote St
As does Eliza’s - 3rd December 1848
Griffiths Valuation shows John Shea - Coote Street
https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/laois/clonenaghandclonagheen.htm
Or http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
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Civil records were introduced in Ireland in 1864.
In addition, from 1845 for Protestant & Registry office marriages.
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This might be one to note -just in case
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634519#page/100/mode/1up
23rd November 1841 John Shea and Alicia Kenna, Coot Street
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Thank you so much for your replies.
In 2007 I visited the NLI in Dublin and Mountrath and collected the baptisms for the 3 girls and the marriage in 1841 for John Shea. I believe it may be significant as the witness to the marriage and for the baptism of first born Bridget is Wm Grady. However, as the bride's surname does not match (even close) I have added for information.
I did not have the Griffiths Valuation for John Shea and this is a fantastic find; thank you.
Would anyone know what a cross against the name on a baptism would indicate?
This symbol is noted on all three baptisms for the girls. It is used on other entries but the majority are unmarked.
Thanks again for the help. It is much appreciated
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I think I have read in the past that it might be to note that a child has died but that can’t be the case here and there are several.
I wonder if, on most anyway, it is a note to show they haven’t paid for the baptism. It looks as though lots have paid 2s 6d. The trouble is some who have paid, have a cross.
Then I thought that they were the females - but then that was disproved.
There is probably a simple explanation ::)
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Agree. "The devil is in the detail"