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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: Vasquez109 on Sunday 29 August 21 21:13 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone.
Been away from researching this side of my family for a good few years and I cant get back into it very easily. Not sure if im typing wrong things into Ancestry but cant seem to find anything!
My 2GG was Thomas Proud and according to the 1911 and 1901 census was born 1854. Had 3 children, Isabella, John and Elizabeth.
This is where I need a little nudge in the right direction. Can anyone help find him in 1891 or before please?
Thank you.
David.
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When did he marry?
When & where were the children born? No birth years given in your post.
Your header says "of Sunderland" was he born there or just live there?
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You didn't mention the Walker children?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWC3-5W2
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWC3-5WV
Who were his parents?
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He married in 1895 to Elizabeth Walker. She had been married before to an Arthur Walker in 1885, and her maiden name was Read or Reed.
All children born Sunderland according to census. Isabella 1896, John 1898 and Elizabeth 1906.
Other than that Ive no idea. Just working off the pages of the 1901 and 1911 census. And a written note from an elderly family member.
David.
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Carole. This is all I know.
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You need to buy a copy of the 1895 marriage cert to establish his marital status at that time given his age & his fathers name & occupation
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Thanks for your help.
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He died 29.1.1925 & left a will. Age at death was 70
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
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1861 & 1871 entries to bear in mind when you get the marriage cert. Same family
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M76H-RYC
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBZ2-L39
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Just ordered it. Thank you!
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His occupation in 1901 & 1911 is Gardener, and in 1891 he appears to be at Salem Street, Bishopwearmouth, boarding with a family named Robson – RG12/4139/29/52
Thomas Proud 37 Single Gardener b Sunderland
1881 he is with parents John & Elizabeth plus various siblings at Mill Farm, Durham Road, Bishopwearmouth – RG11/4993/66/58
1871 at Red House, Bishop Wearmouth with parents & siblings – RG10/5006/27/47
1861 at at Proud Farm, Tunstall Road, Bishopwearmouth - RG9/3772/59/19
Based on the later children, Elizabeth's maiden name appears to be ORAM, but I can't find a Proud/Oram birth registration for Thomas, and there is a gap between Thomas's birth (1854) and the next child Robert William (1858).
John Proud married Elizabeth Oram in 1857, so Thomas's birth was prior to this marriage. John was also about 12 years older than Elizabeth, so the unknown is currently whether Thomas was John's son, or Elizabeth's.
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Wow! That is amazing! Cant wait to get home and have a look at those images.
Thank you so much for this!
David
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Had some spare time when I was in Local Studies in Sunderland today and had a look to see if I could find any information on your Proud family. If you send me your email address in a personal message I would be only too pleased to forward copies of baptism and burial records I came across.
Will briefly run through them:
Burials for John Proud (Farmer) died 1891, his wife Elizabeth (nee Oram) died 1913
Burials for Thomas Proud (Gardener) died 1925, his wife Elizabeth (nee Reed) died 1953
Burial for Isabella Proud (1868 - 1869) daughter of John & Elizabeth Proud (nee Oram)
All buried in Bishopwearmouth Cemetery, Sunderland
Baptisms for the six children of John & Elizabeth all baptised at St. Michael's Church, Bishopwearmouth.
Robert William Proud born 1858
Elizabeth Ann born 1860
Caroline Mary born 1864
Joseph born 1865
Isabella born 1864
James Oram Proud born 1869
John Proud & Elizabeth Oram were married in the June Q 1857 in Sunderland, checking records I have believe this could have taken place in the Register Office.
Checked for a baptism for Thomas either as Proud or as Oram unable to find anything, will have another look at other churches on my next visit. I do feel that Thomas was born Oram and took the name Proud when his mother married John.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Ryhopelad
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I'm struggling to find Elizabeth Oram before her marriage, so it would be interesting to know what her marriage certificate says.
The only Thomas Oram baptism I can find is at St Laurence, Pittington on 21 Sep 1856 Thomas s/o Joseph & Anne Oram, High Pittington, pitman, although I can't find any of them in the census, nor can I find any other baptisms to this couple, or a marriage. There's also no obvious birth registration for Thomas :-\ ???
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Found possibilities for Elizabeth in the census in 1841 there is an 8 year old Elizabeth Orim with her father John (born 1786) a labourer in Stockton, Co. Durham.
1851 Elizabeth Oran born 1833 a house servant for a farmer at Field House Houghton le Spring, Co. Durham.
Thomas is proving a problem, with the possibility that the 1851 Elizabeth is his mother did check baptisms in Houghton for a Thomas Oram but nothing came of it.
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The image of the 1841 is census says Cornforth (about 15 miles outside Stockton, near Spennymoor), which would fit with the baptism at Bishop Middleham 3 Jan 1833 of Betsey d/o John & Susan Oram, Cornforth.
Elizabeth Proud gives her PoB as Cornforth.