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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: hobnob123 on Saturday 28 August 21 16:26 BST (UK)
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I am interested in the Fittleton Wiltshire 1871 census for John Whatley b 1828 if anyone could help please. John is married to Ann Daniells.
In 1871 I have just become aware the family were living in Fittleton having moved about a bit in the area. I am interested in the names of the family children and if there is a Clara Julia Whatley b1862 in the census. Clara is my great great grandmother and was born in Chitterne according to her birth certificate. Her son is a John Staples Swain Whatley (not to be confused with the aforementioned John Whatley b1828). John SS Whatley has no recorded father on his birth certificate and it is this illegitimacy that interests me and I am on the hunt for answers especially with such an interesting name!
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1871
John Watley 43
Ann 44
Eliza 18
Arthur 16
Frederick 14
Emily 12
Julia 10
William 8
George 3
John 1
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When was John S S Whatley born?
Is this his baptism in Millwall
Baptism 19 Oct 1884
Born 18 Jul 1883
Parents John S S & Julia Watley
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Hi Millipede
Thank you for your input it is greatly appreciated. Here is the information I have...
Born 18/07/1883 Poplar, East London, England so yes this looks like the baptism record you have found. Thank you.
Served in Cavalry in second Boer war 1899-1902 in cavalry . At the moment I think he was in the imperial yeomanry.
Mess room steward in 1901 on ship ss una of hull
Living at 105 Percy rd West Ham at time of marriage
Married a the Parish Church of Holy Trinity Barking rd Canning Town West Ham
Travelled on SSNiger in 1895 sailing Jan see attached PL
Birth Cert 1883 Poplar Sept 1c 686
http://newhamstory.com
Served in Merchant Navy in WW1
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Hi,
Do you have information that makes you believe the father on the1884 baptism register is incorrect?
Also the address given is in Bath and not London? ???
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Does he name a father on his marriage cert
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Does he name a father on his marriage cer
Hi
Yes, John Staples Swain Whatley is on the marriage certificate as father to John Staples Swain Whatley(married Ellen Ward) and is down as a farmer.
My gran's dad John S S Whatley never talked about his father and as there is no name on his birth certificate so it's all quite intriguing. I noticed a John Staples Swayne but with a "y" not an "i" near Chitterne so could he be the reason Julia or Clara Julia went to London perhaps disgrace? Who knows?
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Hi,
Do you have information that makes you believe the father on the1884 baptism register is incorrect?
Also the address given is in Bath and not London? ???
Hi
I now don't doubt the father is correct with it being such a random name, it's I'm just trying to build a collection of supporting information to who he was. I have to say the Bath thing is weird, you're saying John baptised in Millwall but all moved to Bath?
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I expected an address in the millwall area on the baptism register, but it reads as follows:
Baptism Tower Hamlets
Oct 19th 1884 born 18th July 1883
Parents
John staples swayne Watley a farmer
& Julia
Address East Cliffe, Steeple Laysford or could be Langsford, Bath
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There is an east cliffe farm in steeple Langford, but it is near Wilton in Wiltshire and not Bath
Steeple Langford is about 30 miles from Bath but about 5 from Salisbury, but the register clearly says Bath.
It is also less than 20 miles from Fittleton.
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I have just found something that confuses the family even more.
1881 census for Clyffe farm, Steeple Langford.
Name: John S. Swayne
Age: 26
Birth Year: abt 1855
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Thos.P. Swayne
Where born: Little Langford, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Steeple Langford
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Street Address: East Clyffe
Occupation: Farmers Son
Registration District: Wilton
Piece: 2074
Folio: 36
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Thos.P. Swayne 62
John S. Swayne 26
Mary Swayne 24
Stephen Swayne 19
And then
Name: John Staples Swayne
Baptism Date: 7 Apr 1855
Baptism Place: Little Langford, Wiltshire, England
Father: Thomas Perrier Swayne
Mother: Caroline
So when and how did the whatley/wately name appear or do we have the wrong family?
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The Watley name probably appeared when John S Swayne got Julia Watley pregnant but didn;t marry her. She gave his full name as forenames to her child, and her surname. Hence John SS Watley, who was stated to be illegetimate on his birth cert
John S Swayne dies in 1888
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That would seem most likely.