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Title: Richard Hilton - Herb Beer Manufacturer In Leigh, Lancashire
Post by: George Shaw on Friday 20 August 21 13:24 BST (UK)
Am trying to find out more about this chap.

Richard Hilton, 22 Brackley St., off Ellesmere St., Leigh, Herb Beer Manufacturer listed in 1885 directory. Business taken over by Thomas Allred (see allusion in news item below). In 1881 census, Joseph Mort, 22 Brackley Street, Ginger Beer Bottler. No reference to the property in the 1871 census, house probably not yet built. Property listed in 1891 census (Marlin or Martin family) but no reference to botanical/herb brewing.

Illegal Use Of Bottles, May 1890

NOTICE (Leigh Chronicle, 09 May 1890)

TO MINERAL WATER MANFACTURERS and others.-All Bottles and Boxes bearing the name of "Richard Hilton, Leigh," are the property of THOMAS ALLRED, LEIGH, and anyone found using the same will be prosecuted according to Law. o183
Title: Re: Richard Hilton - Herb Beer Manufacturer In Leigh, Lancashire
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 20 August 21 13:30 BST (UK)
Have you looked for him on earlier & later censuses?  Exactly what type of info are you looking for?

If he is part of your FH - where & when was he born & who did he marry?
Title: Re: Richard Hilton - Herb Beer Manufacturer In Leigh, Lancashire
Post by: George Shaw on Friday 20 August 21 15:01 BST (UK)
Have you looked for him on earlier & later censuses?  Exactly what type of info are you looking for?

If he is part of your FH - where & when was he born & who did he marry?

I have tried to trace him on other censuses but don't have useful data on life events as reference points. He is not a family member but forms part of a study into Herb Beer Manufacturers in my local area.
Title: Re: Richard Hilton - Herb Beer Manufacturer In Leigh, Lancashire
Post by: heywood on Friday 20 August 21 16:21 BST (UK)
Not seeing much yet but would it be right to assume that Richard was a manufacturer of bottles (rather than beer)?

https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

I see that Thomas Allred was a Blacksmith on marriage in 1884.
1886 - birth of Leonard -still a Blacksmith
1890 - birth of Mary - a Ginger Beer manufacturer
1891 - Ginger Beer Manufacturer
1901 - Blacksmith

I wonder if Richards career was similarly short?
Title: Re: Richard Hilton - Herb Beer Manufacturer In Leigh, Lancashire
Post by: George Shaw on Friday 20 August 21 16:34 BST (UK)
Not seeing much yet but would it be right to assume that Richard was a manufacturer of bottles (rather than beer)?

https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

I see that Thomas Allred was a Blacksmith on marriage in 1884.
1886 - birth of Leonard -still a Blacksmith
1890 - birth of Mary - a Ginger Beer manufacturer
1891 - Ginger Beer Manufacturer
1901 - Blacksmith

I wonder if Richards career was similarly short?

Very unlikely that Richard was a bottle manufacturer. It's a highly industrialised process and I'm fairly sure no bottle makers were ever situate in Leigh. Most bottles needed by Leigh based businesses were sourced in St. Helens.

I suspect you may be right as to Richard having a brief career.
Title: Re: Richard Hilton - Herb Beer Manufacturer In Leigh, Lancashire
Post by: heywood on Friday 20 August 21 16:53 BST (UK)
You have him as ‘Herb Beer Manufacturer’.
The newspaper article you quote states ‘Bottles and Boxes’. :-\
Title: Re: Richard Hilton - Herb Beer Manufacturer In Leigh, Lancashire
Post by: George Shaw on Friday 20 August 21 17:17 BST (UK)
You have him as ‘Herb Beer Manufacturer’.
The newspaper article you quote states ‘Bottles and Boxes’. :-\

Herb beer manufacturers brewed the product and sold it per bottle inclusive of a refundable modest bottle deposit. Some customers held onto bottles to store domestic liquids and, unscrupulous business competitors utilised bottles owned by others. Both practices were frowned upon by legitimate herb beer manufacturers. The reference to boxes would mean the crates used to deliver the bottles of herb beer to customers.
Title: Re: Richard Hilton - Herb Beer Manufacturer In Leigh, Lancashire
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 20 August 21 17:23 BST (UK)


The Weekly Standard and Express Blackburn, Lancashire, England
10 Sep 1887, Sat    Page 1

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83803594/herb-and-ginger-beer-manufacturers-10/

Title: Re: Richard Hilton - Herb Beer Manufacturer In Leigh, Lancashire
Post by: heywood on Friday 20 August 21 17:26 BST (UK)
You are very kind, thank you.
We used to buy similar items when I was a child.  :) good memories.
Title: Re: Richard Hilton - Herb Beer Manufacturer In Leigh, Lancashire
Post by: George Shaw on Friday 20 August 21 17:32 BST (UK)
Another example of the bottle misuse problem...

Misuse Of Bottles, January 1914

CAUTION (Leigh Chronicle, 23 January 1914)

WHEREAS it has come to the knowledge of Mr. EDWARD RIGG of Henry-street, Leigh, Herb Beer Manufacturer, that certain persons having in their possession Bottles belonging to him have used the same for the purpose of storing mineral and other oil, NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that any person using such bottles for any purpose other than that of storing Herb Beer manufactured by him WILL BE DEALT WITH AS THE LAW DIRECTS.
Dated this 19th day of January, 1914.
THOMAS R. DOOTSON
Market Place, Leigh.
Solicitor for the said Edward Rigg.
Title: Re: Richard Hilton - Herb Beer Manufacturer In Leigh, Lancashire
Post by: heatherjulie on Saturday 21 August 21 09:24 BST (UK)
In 1881

22 Brackley St Leigh
Joseph Mort Head 29 born Glazebury, Lancashire Ginger Beer Bottler
Alice Mort   Wife 28 Housekeeper
William Mort Son 9 born Glazebury
George Mort Son 6 born Glazebury
May Ellen Mort 4 born Warrington
Ellen Mort   Daughter 2 born Bedford Lancashire
Thos. Smith Boarder33 born WintonIiron Moulder
A.E.L Davis Boarder 17 born warrington char Woman

By 1901, Joseph Mort was a retired butcher living in Oldham.
Title: Re: Richard Hilton - Herb Beer Manufacturer In Leigh, Lancashire
Post by: George Shaw on Saturday 21 August 21 13:13 BST (UK)
Thanks heatherjulie.