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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: koh506 on Saturday 14 August 21 15:30 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
Trying to trace a family relative... Noah Wantten, sometimes Wanten and even Want (mistranscribed as Mont in Roots Ireland).
Re-marries as widower Mary Donnan, widow, in 1914 in St Matthew's, Ballymacarrett- both addresses Hudderson's Place. Might her first husband be William Donnan d. Chemical St 1909?
Where was Hudderson's Place (??) in Belfast?
So far have marriage of son Frank in 1911, birth of daughter Mary in 1901, and death of first wife Netta (maiden name Aserich or something like it). Also Mary's marriage to Joseph McCartan in 1923.
Any leads on Hudderson's Place or this family Wanten/Wantten/Want appreciated.
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Maybe meant to be Huddleston Place?.. this from the 1918 Belfast street directory for that location on the Lennon Wylie website:
4. Wanten, Boath, horse butcher
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/hcomplete1918.htm
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Just for information
Marriage of Noah Wont and Mary Donnan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1914/09862/5582038.pdf
1911 Noah Wanten
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Pottinger__part_of_/Chemical_Street/220674/
1911 - Huddleston Place
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qu9/
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Maybe meant to be Huddleston Place?.. this from the 1918 Belfast street directory for that location on the Lennon Wylie website:
4. Wanten, Boath, horse butcher
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/hcomplete1918.htm
Same website, the 1924 street directory for Huddleston Place shows this: 4. Donnan, Mrs. Minnie
Then there is this death in 1918 recorded in the name of Bernard Wanthen, married, 51, of 4 Huddleston Place - note the informant:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05189/4433214.pdf
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Smashing - thanks Gaffy and Heywood! I hadn't spotted these before :)
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1901 - interesting names all b Belgium except Minnie 6 weeks
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Victoria/Harland_Street/1218184/
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I bet he was called Benoit if he was Belgian and couldn't read, hence the Benoath and eventually Noah...
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edited this - misread the census dates. got him!
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According to Mary’s birth, her mother is Nanette Aserich.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01957/1755555.pdf
So ‘Aserick’ in 1901 is presumably wife’s surname given as first name.
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Same Lennon Wylie website, in the 1912 street directory, there is the following entry for Chemical Street:
64. Wanten, Benoth, labourer
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/ccomplete1912.htm
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Brilliant - superstar researchers on this board!
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Re-marries as widower Mary Donnan, widow, in 1914 in St Matthew's, Ballymacarrett- both addresses Hudderson's Place. Might her first husband be William Donnan d. Chemical St 1909?
This is a possibility in 1901 (note the various birthplaces):
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Pottinger/Chemical_Street/1216432/
I think this could be William junior's birth, registered as William Joseph Donnell:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02197/1830694.pdf
Bingo! Here's Francis' birth, registered as Donnelly, but the address seals the deal:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02098/1799679.pdf
Following on from the Cork lead and the looseness over William's surname, this has to be a possible marriage (the bride's father's forename is consistent with the 1914 marriage):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10753/5921464.pdf
I haven't searched for the Cork births yet (ie. for James and Michael in that 1901 census return).
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I haven't searched for the Cork births yet (ie. for James and Michael in that 1901 census return).
Birth for James under 'Donnell'?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02413/1899551.pdf
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Some of the Donnan children showing at 4 Huddleston Place (I think that address is mistranscribed in Francis' marriage):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1915/09827/5568327.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1916/09776/5548537.pdf
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The following birth of a Minnie Donnan to James Donnan and Sarah McGladdery brings it all together (note the address and the informant):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1917/01314/1543416.pdf
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Several local newspapers in March 1922 carried the following story:
A bomb was thrown about Seaforde Street on Saturday night and exploded at the corner of Huddleston Place. It was not heavily charged, however, and only claimed one victim, a married woman named Minnie Donnan, aged 60, belonging to Huddleston Place. She received injuries from bomb splinters in the right arm and leg and was detained at the Mater Hospital after treatment.
Then this story in February 1923, which relates to the same incident:
Mary Wont, Huddleston Place, Seaforde Street, claimed £1,000 for personal injuries, caused by a bomb thrown by a crowd near Seaforde Street. She was also wounded by a bullet. Mr. McSparran (instructed by Messrs. Donnelly & Co.) was for the applicant, who was awarded £105.
Edited to add:
Again from a local newspaper, in June 1938:
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that FRANK WANTTEN, of 66, Sheriff Street, Belfast, is applying to the Home Secretary for Naturalization, and that any person who knows any reason why Naturalization should not be granted should send a Written and Signed Statement of the facts to the Under-Secretary of State, Home Office, S.W.1.
(Not sure what was behind this, but a possible motivation to regularise his position in the UK might have been due to the tension and high expectation of war with Germany (the May Crisis))
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That is great research, gaffy :)
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Gaffy, brilliant sleuthing, well done ;D
KG
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Gaffy, how do you do it!? All the variations on the names and everything - hat's off! And thank you! All the pieces coming nicely together :)
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You're welcome. :)