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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: kerry1212 on Thursday 12 August 21 15:25 BST (UK)
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Hi i am looking for the 2nd wife or anything on James Moore born 1876 ballykeel he married Margaret Grant in 1895 she died 1905 leaving james and 5 children, but i can't find james after this some of his children are with james parents who are Danel Moore and Mary Ann McManus, if anyone can help that would be great
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Is this Daniel and Mary Ann in 1911?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Shankill/Lesley_Street/172094/
Mary Ann states 11 children born alive and 6 still living. Have you the names for the deceased children?
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yes that's the family, the children are their grandchildren
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So do you have all Daniel’s children with the ones who died?
You would then know if James was still alive in 1911.
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James died in 1930
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James died in 1930
Well that helps. Where did he die? Who was the informant? Was he a widower or married?
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Bit of a long shot, but here is a Marriage from 1910: James Moore/ Catherine McKendry.
he gives his fathers name as Daniel Moore. But he states he is a Bachelor ?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1910/09988/5632572.pdf
Couple of Children from the Moore/ McKendry Marriage:
U/1912/54/1007/16/495 Mary Moore 2nd April 1912 Female McKendry Belfast
U/1913/56/1007/32/267 Daniel Moore 19th May 1913 Male McKendry Belfast
1911 Census:
Residents of a house 2 in Wolfhill Lane (Shankill, Antrim)
Show all information
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion
Moore James 30 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic
Moore Catherine 27 Female Wife Roman Catholic
Moore James Male Son Roman Catholic
James Birth, but the mothers name spelt wrong .
U/1910/54/1007/16/266 James Moore 11th September 1910 Male McKenzie ???
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01563/1631020.pdf
May be wrong ,but worth a look
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I saw that and wondered about him too Sam but I didn’t find the marriage. That looks good. :)
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Sam b that is brilliant thank you
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So did james moore born 1876 who married margaret grant have 2 sons called james? i have a son james moore born 1898 from his 1st marriage his son married mary corbett? oram i doing this wrong?
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Need so more info. there are two James Moore born 1898 in antrim
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James died in 1930
Well that helps. Where did he die? Who was the informant? Was he a widower or married?
If there is doubt, I ask this again, please.
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There is a death here for James Moore, 7 yrs, son of James Moore, Flaxdresser.
The address is Lesley Street where Daniel Moore is living in 1911.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1906/05564/4562288.pdf
I don’t know how this affects your research, kerry.
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Good find, heywood
Need so more info. there are two James Moore born 1898 in antrim
James Moore, son of James Moore and Margaret nee Grant was born in Belfast (Legoniel), as were his brothers before 1901.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02065/1789178.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Shankhill/Meadow_Street/978748/
KG
Added:
Legoniel townland
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/belfast-upper/shankill/ballygomartin/legoniel1/
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So did james moore born 1876 who married margaret grant have 2 sons called james? i have a son james moore born 1898 from his 1st marriage his son married mary corbett? oram i doing this wrong?
It is all very puzzling.
Here is Maggie Corbett in 1911 - 21 Lesley Street
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Shankill/Lesley_Street/172106/
Daniel Moore (posted earlier ) was at 7 Lesley Street in 1911
The death of James (posted earlier) was at 14 Lesley Street in 1906
There are a couple of published trees which show children born to James Moore and Margaret Corbett giving the address 19 Lesley Street.
Do you have the Moore/Corbett marriage certificate, kerry?
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Do these mean anything to you, kerry?
Daniel Moore (son of Daniel) married Margaret Armstrong in 1905 - address is 14 Lesley Street.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1905/10179/5703681.pdf
A son James born 1907
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01701/1674775.pdf
He would be very young though if he was father to Margaret, 1926 and Arthur, 1928.
How old was your James when he died in 1930?
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yes daniel moore who married margaret armstrong is my husbands grandparents, their son thomas born 1914 is my husbands father, i have found family has he never knew them but no one knows exactly what is going on with them all?
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So James is not your direct line?
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the problem was when i had my husband do DNA we had a close match and i spoke to her then other family members has she didn't know who her grandfather was, she said it was james moore who married mary corbett? very confused
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limehill st and lesley street are where all the family lived, but i have found some things just don't add up, like my hsbands aunt sarah /sally her parents should be daniel moore and maggie armstrong yet someone found a birth to daniel moore and catherine armstrong? i am confused and no one in the family knows what is going on?
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The marriage might be to Margaret/Maggie Corbett rather than Mary and you would need to check those marriage details.
The death details of that James might help too as I mentioned earlier re informant etc.
He might be the James (birth given earlier) who is brother to your Thomas.
Thomas’ birth
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01405/1577877.pdf
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limehill st and lesley street are where all the family lived, but i have found some things just don't add up, like my hsbands aunt sarah /sally her parents should be daniel moore and maggie armstrong yet someone found a birth to daniel moore and catherine armstrong? i am confused and no one in the family knows what is going on?
When was Sarah born?
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susan "sally moore was born 30 december 1920 belfast to daniel moore and maggie armstrong, daniel is james brother, but her certificate says daniel moore and catherine moore?
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I can’t see that birth :-\
Can you give a link?
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No link has i was sent the information, but this is what i was sent Susan Moore born 30 December 1920, baptised 2 January 1921 in St. Vincent de Paul on the Ligoniel Road, parents Daniel Moore and Cath? Armstrong of 6 Legann Street, sponsors Daniel Corbett and Sarah J McGrady.
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Just so confused, and other have no clue as to who is who either, i have tried to do the tree as best i can but some either don't fit or there are some missing? daniel moore who married maggie armstrong was supposed to have had a shop mclelands row but no one remembers anything althogh they heard about it, and a cousin said when she went to visit she would go and see a lady named lizzie harper has the grandparents house was fll? when i asked oters they said they had never head of her?
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She was probably registered in 1921 so the record would not be available on Irish Genealogy.
If you are going to do a tree you need the evidence to support what you include.
You would be best to begin with the ones you know and find birth and marriage records plus census if available.
Then you could go to the wider family.
I have just seen the tree which has Susan b 1920 with parents Daniel and Margaret but no evidence.
I came across births to Daniel Moore and Margaret Armstrong
Maggie - https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1917/01322/1546372.pdf
He is a Grocer and living in Legoinel Road.
There is also this which could be them
Sarah Jane b 1919
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1919/01234/1513424.pdf
Daniel is a Butcher and the address is Antigua Street
I see these are in that tree also but no links to the births.
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Yes that's them, it is daniels brother james we are having problems with did he marry margaret grant and marry again when she died in 1905? to catherine mckendry?
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He may well have done according to the marriage posted earlier.
It also looks as though his son, James, with Margaret Grant died as mentioned earlier.
Are there other Daniel Moores around with these children?
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susan "sally moore was born 30 december 1920 belfast to daniel moore and maggie armstrong......
The only Susan Moore born in 1920/1921 with MMN Armstrong is this one on GRONI
https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
Susan Moore 29th January 1921 Female Armstrong Belfast
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I have asked previously, but will ask again, do you have the death details for James Moore who you say died in 1930?
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susan "sally moore was born 30 december 1920 belfast to daniel moore and maggie armstrong......
The only Susan Moore born in 1920/1921 with MMN Armstrong is this one on GRONI
https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
Susan Moore 29th January 1921 Female Armstrong Belfast
That looks likely KG - birth and register details are often out by a short time.
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No a family member told me it was him, which is why i am doing this to find evidence instead of hearsay :)
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In that case, I would look for the death and get the certificate to either confirm or eliminate from the enquiry :)
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susan "sally moore was born 30 december 1920 belfast to daniel moore and maggie armstrong......
The only Susan Moore born in 1920/1921 with MMN Armstrong is this one on GRONI
https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
Susan Moore 29th January 1921 Female Armstrong Belfast
That looks likely KG - birth and register details are often out by a short time.
....and the birth record is available via the GRONI online link above for that 1921 birth. Just choose the "full" option (5 credits £2.50) and it lets you see the digitised image of the original.
KG
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Thank you for all your help Heywood
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KG, is there a death for James Moore, 1930?
It seems as though each time someone is found, Kerry already has the details so it is proving a bit difficult to help as I now am not sure where it is leading other than James Moore who we started off with ;)
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I think i should start a new topic and ask about james again, there are too many conflicting stories, one says it is their grandfather and another says it is james brother joseph?
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KG, is there a death for James Moore, 1930?
It seems as though each time someone is found, Kerry already has the details so it is proving a bit difficult to help as I now am not sure where it is leading other than James Moore who we started off with ;)
There are six in Belfast in 1930:
James Moore 9th January 1930 85 Male Belfast
James Moore 22nd January 1930 80 Male Belfast
James Moore 18th February 1930 69 Male Belfast
James Moore 19th July 1930 83 Male Belfast
James Moore 15th August 1930 85 Male Belfast
James Moore 5th December 1930 84 Male Belfast
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I think i should start a new topic and ask about james again, there are too many conflicting stories, one says it is their grandfather and another says it is james brother joseph?
I don’t think there is a need to start a new topic but if you do make sure you link this thread otherwise you will likely get all this information found and posted back to you.
I don’t understand what you mean by ‘one says it is their grandfather and another says it is james brother joseph ‘
Who do they mean?
If that is another tree, then they should be finding the information ???
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Thanks KG.
None of those look good, do they?
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Thanks KG.
None of those look good, do they?
Nope....there's one the following year (1931) which would fit (he's 54) but the OP would have to view the record to confirm :-\
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One says james is her grandfather but another says joseph is her grandfather, joseph was james son who they said married maggie corbett?
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Joseph is on the 1911 census with daniel moore and mary ann mcmanus, they were the great grandparents, but i couldn't find james moore after his wife margaret grant ded in 1905
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One says james is her grandfather but another says joseph is her grandfather, joseph was james son who they said married maggie corbett?
Sorry - but who is saying these things ‘one … but another’?
As far as I recall, you have Daniel and Mary McManus with children.
In 1911 -married 40 yrs with 11 children/6 still living.
You have the marriage of James, son of Daniel and Mary Ann; the 1901 census and the death of Margaret Grant.
You have a death for their child James.
You have a possible marriage for James and Catherine McKen..
You have a marriage for Daniel son of Daniel and Mary Ann and censuses.
You have some reference to James (possible son of James and Catherine McKen..) and Margaret Corbett (have not looked over this thread to find it but I know Maggie C is in 1911 census as a child.
You would need to look for a marriage /death for Joseph Moore here I think
https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
Kiltaglassan has referenced the site earlier.
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..........joseph was james son who they said married maggie corbett?
From GRONI:
Joseph Moore married Maggie Corbett 4th October 1924 Belfast
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Ah, that might solve the mystery, KG. ;)
That’s great news.
I think Kerry thought it was James who married her and there was the puzzle of which James.