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Title: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: gingerslf on Sunday 01 August 21 15:11 BST (UK)
Patty Prior on the 1891 census and then no sign of her again.
I can find no birth/no marriage on FREEBMD

1891 in Woodstock
Age 7
Daughter of James and Harriet
Birth Year1884
Father James Prior
Mother Harriett Prior
Birth Place Woodstock

Also a request for Polly Prior

On 1851 census in Woodstock with aunt Letitia. (The name is written as FORIS 2nd family down) This is a mistake.

Birth 1869 Woodstock

Again I can find no birth/no marriage on FREEBMD and she disappears.

These Priors are a nightmare! ;D

Any info about them much appreciated.


Thanks
Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 01 August 21 15:24 BST (UK)
sister Ellen's baptism and birth

Ellen Edith Prior
Birth 26 Oct 1879
Baptism 16 May 1879 Woodstock, Oxfordshire
Father:   James Prior, labourer  Mother:   Harriet abode Old Woodstock

PRIOR, ELLEN  EDITH     mmn HEMMINGS
GRO Reference: 1879  J Quarter in WOODSTOCK  Volume 03A  Page 749

Could Patty be Martha  ???

PRIOR, ALICE  AMELIA     mmnHEMMINGS 
GRO Reference: 1885  M Quarter in WOODSTOCK  Volume 03A  Page 849

PRIOR, MARTHA  SAVINGS     mmn HEMMINGS 
GRO Reference: 1883  D Quarter in WOODSTOCK  Volume 03A  Page 773

PRIOR, LIZZY  ANNIE     mmn HEMMINGS 
GRO Reference: 1876  M Quarter in WOODSTOCK  Volume 03A  Page 744

PRIOR, JAMES  THOMAS WILLIAM    mmnHEMMINGS 
GRO Reference: 1889  M Quarter in WOODSTOCK  Volume 03A  Page 847

PRIOR, JOHN  JAMES     mmn HEMMINGS 
GRO Reference: 1887  M Quarter in WOODSTOCK  Volume 03A  Page 829
Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 01 August 21 15:28 BST (UK)
Martha's baptism has her middle name as ETHEL

Martha Ethel Prior
Birth 21 Sep 1883
Baptism Date:   2 Dec 1883 Woodstock, Oxfordshire
Father:   James Prior, labourer Mother:   Harriet
Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: gingerslf on Sunday 01 August 21 15:28 BST (UK)
Thanks for that

I have all that and I did suspect myself it might be Martha!

As for Alice Amelia...don't mention her she is causing me real headaches and costing me money ;D

Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 01 August 21 15:32 BST (UK)

As for Alice Amelia...don't mention her she is causing me real headaches and costing me money ;D

I assume you have her baptism

Alice Amelia Prior
Birth 6 Feb 1885
Baptism Date:   11 Jun 1888 Woodstock, Oxfordshire
Father:   James Prior Mother:   Harriet

What sort of a headache is she causing you?

Did she marry a Seward?



Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: gingerslf on Sunday 01 August 21 15:34 BST (UK)
Martha's baptism has her middle name as ETHEL

Martha Ethel Prior
Birth 21 Sep 1883
Baptism Date:   2 Dec 1883 Woodstock, Oxfordshire
Father:   James Prior, labourer Mother:   Harriet

FREEBMD has this?
Martha Savings Prior
Registration Year1883
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district Woodstock
Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: gingerslf on Sunday 01 August 21 15:37 BST (UK)

As for Alice Amelia...don't mention her she is causing me real headaches and costing me money ;D

I assume you have her baptism

Alice Amelia Prior
Birth 6 Feb 1885
Baptism Date:   11 Jun 1888 Woodstock, Oxfordshire
Father:   James Prior Mother:   Harriet

What sort of a headache is she causing you?

Did she marry a Seward?

There is a lengthy thread on her.

She did or didn't marry a Seward!

It would appear that she assumed an alias Olive Muriel Swinsted and married under that name!  ???

Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 01 August 21 15:37 BST (UK)

FREEBMD has this?
Martha Savings Prior
Registration Year1883
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district Woodstock

It's the same on GRO indexes her baptism definitely reads Ethel perhaps a mistake on FreeBMD & GRO ???
Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: gingerslf on Sunday 01 August 21 15:41 BST (UK)

FREEBMD has this?
Martha Savings Prior
Registration Year1883
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district Woodstock

It's the same on GRO indexes her baptism definitely reads Ethel perhaps a mistake on FreeBMD & GRO ???

Harriet (Martha's mother) her mother's maiden name was Savings (Anne)
Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: gingerslf on Sunday 01 August 21 15:55 BST (UK)
Looks like Martha Ethel joined her sisters in Sheffield.

Marriages Mar 1912 
Prior    Martha E    Walters    Sheffield    9c   656
Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 01 August 21 15:56 BST (UK)

Also a request for Polly Prior

On 1851 census in Woodstock with aunt Letitia. (The name is written as FORIS 2nd family down) This is a mistake.

Birth 1869 Woodstock

Again I can find no birth/no marriage on FREEBMD and she disappears.


Polly can be a nickname, often for either Mary or Dorothy

Is it possible that Polly is Mary Ann Prior possible daughter of James & Harriett PRIOR

surname transcribed as PRIVE

1871 Piece:   1449 Folio:   58 Page number:   15
James 28   Head
Harriett 25   Wife
Mary Anne   4   Daughter Tackley Oxfordshire

1911 Letitia Prior is Aunt to Mary Ann Prior born c 1867 Tackley, Oxfordshire

added link 1911c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7KC-QPD

Mary Ann Prior   Head   45   Tackley, Oxfordshire
Letisha Prior   Aunt   67   Woodstock, Oxfordshire
Dorothy Mary Prior   Daughter   14   Oxford, Oxfordshire
Margarite May Prior   Daughter   11   Woodstock, Oxfordshire
Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 01 August 21 16:03 BST (UK)
1881 Piece:   1512 Folio:   41 Page Number:   16
John Prior   70
Louisa Prior   54
Letita Prior   41 daughter Woodstock, Oxfordshire
Mary Ann Prior   14 granddaughter Tackley, Oxfordshire

1901 Piece:   1392 Folio:   15 Page Number:   22
Letitia Prior   57 Head
Charlotte Prior   17 dau
Mary A Prior   3 Niece
Dorothy M Prior   4 dau
Margaret M Prior 1 dau

Mary A Prior age has been mistranscribed it should be age 31,
Dorothy & Margaret are Mary Anne's children
Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 01 August 21 16:14 BST (UK)
It looks as if Mary Ann maybe the illegitimate daughter or Harriet

Mary Ann Prior Hemmings
Baptism   2 Jun 1867 Tackley, Oxfordshire
Mother:   Harriet Hemmings

HEMMINGS, MARY  ANN     - 
GRO Reference: 1867  J Quarter in WOODSTOCK  Volume 03A  Page 652

Harriet Hemmings f/a father Joseph,labourer
married on 26 Dec 1870 Bladon, Oxfordshire
Spouse:   James Prior f/a, labourer father John, butcher
Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 01 August 21 16:26 BST (UK)
When Mary Anne's daughter Dorothy marries father named as William Henry Prior, house decorator

Dorothy Mary Prior age 30 Married on   28 Mar 1927 at Woodstock, Oxfordshire,
Spouse:   Henry Edward Winter
One witness was Margaret May Prior
Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: gingerslf on Sunday 01 August 21 16:29 BST (UK)
It looks as if Mary Ann maybe the illegitimate daughter or Harriet

Mary Ann Prior Hemmings
Baptism   2 Jun 1867 Tackley, Oxfordshire
Mother:   Harriet Hemmings

HEMMINGS, MARY  ANN     - 
GRO Reference: 1867  J Quarter in WOODSTOCK  Volume 03A  Page 652

Harriet Hemmings f/a father Joseph,labourer
married on 26 Dec 1870 Bladon, Oxfordshire
Spouse:   James Prior f/a, labourer father John, butcher

As Mary Ann has about 10 siblings all with James Edward b 1841 as their father I am assuming that he is the father of Mary Ann PRIOR Hemmings conceived before he married Harriet!

I have her birth certificate with no father named.

Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: gingerslf on Sunday 01 August 21 16:33 BST (UK)
When Mary Anne's daughter Dorothy marries father named as William Henry Prior, house decorator

Dorothy Mary Prior age 30 Married on   28 Mar 1927 at Woodstock, Oxfordshire,
Spouse:   Henry Edward Winter
One witness was Margaret May Prior

Dorothy Mary Prior. Now there's another can of worms. ;D Her father was actually William Henry Horn.

I have her birth certificate and a baptism with the name HORN!

I had a nightmare tracking her down until mum found the baptism card.

She always believed that her mums maiden name was PRIOR.

Are you still following.


Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 01 August 21 16:54 BST (UK)
When Mary Anne's daughter Dorothy marries father named as William Henry Prior, house decorator

Dorothy Mary Prior age 30 Married on   28 Mar 1927 at Woodstock, Oxfordshire,
Spouse:   Henry Edward Winter
One witness was Margaret May Prior

Dorothy Mary Prior. Now there's another can of worms. ;D Her father was actually William Henry Horn.

I have her birth certificate and a baptism with the name HORN!

I had a nightmare tracking her down until mum found the baptism card.

She always believed that her mums maiden name was PRIOR.

Are you still following.

Just about keeping up with it all........had seen that Horn baptism looked at the GRO indexes showed her mmn HEMMINGS


Also a request for Polly Prior

Birth 1869 Woodstock

Again I can find no birth/no marriage on FREEBMD and she disappears.


Do you think then that Mary Ann Prior HEMMINGS is Polly PRIOR from 1891 census with her Aunt Letitia Prior ?


Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: BumbleB on Sunday 01 August 21 16:58 BST (UK)
Do you think then that Mary Ann Prior HEMMINGS is Polly PRIOR from 1891 census with her Aunt Letitia Prior ?

Not unheard of - I had an aunt who I knew as Aunty Polly - she was actually Mary.

Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 01 August 21 17:01 BST (UK)
Not unheard of - I had an aunt who I knew as Aunty Polly - she was actually Mary.

Same here BumbleB my grandmothers sister was Mary Jane and she was always referred to by my father as Aunt Polly  :)
Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 01 August 21 17:18 BST (UK)
Is this Dorothy May father William Henry Horn born c1863 Oxford on 1911 census, single, house painter

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7KH-4BF

Is this his burial?

William Henry Horn Age:   79
Burial 5 Nov 1943 Oxford, Oxfordshire
Cemetery Section:   E Grave Number:   32
Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: gingerslf on Sunday 01 August 21 17:40 BST (UK)

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Do you think then that Mary Ann Prior HEMMINGS is Polly PRIOR from 1891 census with her Aunt Letitia Prior ?
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Yes I do. I remember my mum mentioning that she heard the name Polly when she was young and I made a note of it, but she couldn't remember who it was.

I now believe Polly/Patty was Mary Ann, her grandmother who was alive at the time and have deleted her from the tree.

Thanks for the help....again :)
Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: gingerslf on Sunday 01 August 21 17:43 BST (UK)
Is this Dorothy May father William Henry Horn born c1863 Oxford on 1911 census, single, house painter

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7KH-4BF

Is this his burial?

William Henry Horn Age:   79
Burial 5 Nov 1943 Oxford, Oxfordshire
Cemetery Section:   E Grave Number:   32

Yes that's him, but I didn't have the burial date or location.
Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: gingerslf on Sunday 01 August 21 18:03 BST (UK)
What do you make of this?

I made a record of it way back!

Mary Ann Prior
Record Type Banns (Bann)Marriage Banns
Date 11 Oct 1896
Marriage Banns Place Saint Paul, Hammersmith and Fulham, England
Spouse William Henry Prior

There is no evidence of a marriage taking place and anyway the person that she alleges she married, mentioned on her death certificate as husband, later dismissed by Dorothy Mary and A Seward (Alice Amelia) was HENRY EDWARD PRIOR!

This is why her daughter Dorothy Mary believed all her life that her maiden name was Prior.

Another weird 'coincidence'.

Dorothy Mary's husband was HENRY EDWARD WINTER!!!!
Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 01 August 21 18:08 BST (UK)
What do you make of this?

I made a record of it way back!

Mary Ann Prior
Record Type Banns (Bann)Marriage Banns
Date 11 Oct 1896
Marriage Banns Place Saint Paul, Hammersmith and Fulham, England
Spouse William Henry Prior

They are both widowed

Mary Ann PRIOR age 42 married on 24 Oct 1896 at Saint Paul, Hammersmith
Father:    Jacob Harvey HARDING, millwright
Spouse:    William Henry Prior, bricklayer
Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 01 August 21 22:50 BST (UK)
Just came across an extensive Prior public tree on Anc*y with census info., baptisms, birth cert., picture of Dorothy, her husband and daughter - is it yours?

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qt0/
Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: gingerslf on Monday 02 August 21 06:32 BST (UK)
Just came across an extensive Prior public tree on Anc*y with census info., baptisms, birth cert., picture of Dorothy, her husband and daughter - is it yours?

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qt0/

It is. :)

Alice Amelia Prior is turning out to be a very interesting person...or 2!
Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: TheRichJohnson on Sunday 27 November 22 23:01 GMT (UK)
Hello. Interested you're looking at this strand of Priors. My paternal Great Grandmother was Kate Constance Prior  b.1872 daughter of Joseph and Harriet. She met my Great Grandfather Samuel Johnson, a Coldstream Guard whilst a nanny in Kensington. He was from Sheffield and that is where they married and settled and had a family. I am from Sheffield but love in London. I haven't started to seriously trace my family yet but would be very happy to do so whilst helping or being helped by distant cousins. All the best, Richard.
Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: gingerslf on Tuesday 29 November 22 20:21 GMT (UK)
Richard

Kate Constance Prior

1871–1953
BIRTH 1871 • Woodstock Oxfordshire

DEATH JAN 1953 • Sheffield, Yorkshire West Riding, England

She was baptised twice

11 Sep 1871 • Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England

Again on 12th April 1887 along with brother John James.

I believe she is my great grand aunt, sister of my great grandmother Mary Ann Prior Hemmings
1867–1941
BIRTH 21 APRIL 1867 • Tackley Oxfordshire
DEATH 14 MARCH 1941 • Brook Hill Woodstock


Two of her younger sisters Alice Amelia and Ellen Edith followed her to Sheffield 10/15 years after she married here.


Title: Re: Polly and Patty PRIOR WOODSTOCK
Post by: TheRichJohnson on Wednesday 30 November 22 15:56 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much. So it seems we are cousins three times removed (?). My understanding was that Kate died near Barnes in London as her and her husband Samuel Johnson had moved there. My father said he visited them there as a boy for holidays and he said he last saw her as a widow in 1943 when he was stationed in St. John's Wood before going to Rhodessia to do his pilot flight training in the RAF. I thought I'd found her death in FreeBMD that seemed to match her. I haven't subscribed to Ancestry yet so haven't delved further. I have joined Oxfordshire Family History and would like to go back to Woodstock to learn more about this fascinating side of the family.