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1861 Census
Checking my facts here. Walter's father was Edwin Withers, rope manufacturer or rope twister. His mother Sarah Welch. Looking for the occupation of Walter in the 1861 Census. He was, I think, a clerk in his father's factory, but would like to be sure.
Thank you
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1861 Census
Looking for the occupation of Walter in the 1861 Census. He was, I think, a clerk in his father's factory, but would like to be sure.
If Walter was born 1854 he would only have been around 7 years old in 1861
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In 1871 2970/30/4 he was an apprentice Rope Twister.
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It is possible that in 1861, age 7, he was a scholar, and possibly at Sutton Coldfield.
Would you mind verifying?
In 1871, an apprentice rope twister is consistent.
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1861
Piece 2019 folio 136 page 34
Park Road, Handsworth
Walter H is 6 (I think), not dittoed as a scholar
The Withers are hard to find!
Transcribed as Wilkins on ancestry
And Waltons on FamilySearch + f m p
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M786-9BT
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Walter H must be William on that FS link.
Image on ancestry confirms Walter
No more free 1841 and 1861 census images on FamilySearch? :(
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That is most helpful - His full name was Walter Herbert
The 1861 reference to Park Road Handsworth is curious. In the 1881 Census the family lives in Park Avenue by the Vicarage ave. There must have been a number of Park street, avenue, road etc.
Thanks again
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Sorry folks ??? Have totally failed to find the references you kindly supplied.
Neither Ancestry, FindMyPast, FS nor FreeCen have obliged with any of the names you found - Wilkins or Waltons.
Thanks for the link to FS - yes that's fine, but as you say no free image.
Ditto for 1871: no sign of Withers, Waltons, Wilkins. The only Edwin was Edwin POOLE age 67 of Brm. No Walter willing to put up their hands.
Could you supply the
Household ID
Line Number
Page Number
Piece/Folio
Registration Number
Enumeration District
Ecclesiastical District
Civil Parish
when you do find them? Much obliged
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Sorry folks ??? Have totally failed to find the references you kindly supplied.
Neither Ancestry, FindMyPast, FS nor FreeCen have obliged with any of the names you found - Wilkins or Waltons.
Thanks for the link to FS - yes that's fine, but as you say no free image.
Ditto for 1871: no sign of Withers, Waltons, Wilkins. The only Edwin was Edwin POOLE age 67 of Brm. No Walter willing to put up their hands.
Could you supply the
Household ID
Line Number
Page Number
Piece/Folio
Registration Number
Enumeration District
Ecclesiastical District
Civil Parish
when you do find them? Much obliged
In 1871 2970/30/4 he was an apprentice Rope Twister.
That’s strange. I just used Ancestry and entered the above reference and it is there.
Piece 2970
Folio 30
Page 4
Living in Handsworth.
Edwin Withers b 1805 Birmingham with wife Sarah.
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Family Search seemed to be playing up last week.
It is there today
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M786-9BT
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Thanks for the FS updated link - glad to know it works at your end, but at my end the pidgeons are refusing to cooperate. FS sends me off to one of their local centres.
Nevermind, I may get to the library later today to retry both FS, FindMyPast and Ancestry.
Many thanks for your help anyway, it is gratefully received.
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Are you signed in to FS?
I know last week when there was a blank instead of the info, I had to click on ‘sign in’ and the page was fine.
I didn’t have to re- sign just click it.
Now, though, it is ok.
Good luck.
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Many thanks for those directions. I did find 1851, 1871 and now 1881 results. I had access to the library computers.
Could not - again! - find the 1841 Census. Tried as many tricks as possible but still no response from Ancestry, FindMyPast. Didn't have time to check FS
1841 there will be no Walter, but there should be:
Edwin Withers, b1805, perhaps: tea merchant?, tobocco?, twine? or rope?.
wife: Sarah
son William E age 3
dau Clara age 1
may have been living at Ravenhurst street. Not sure, that's part of what I would like to find out
Many thanks
David
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1841
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQBT-9BN
Transcription
1841 piece 1148/Book 7/folio 18/page 29
Ravenhurst Street
Edwin Withers 30 yrs Tobacconist
Sarah 20 yrs
Edward 3 yrs
Clara 1 yr
All born in county
A few entries above is
Elizabeth Withers 50 yrs independent b in county
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Thank you very much.
Yes, Elizabeth, his mother, had taken control of the family fortune when her husband, Edward Weston W, died in 1819. So she rushed to London and was given authority over the estate valued at 800 pounds.
She could afford to live in Ravenhurst st, I think she took in her daughter with her.
Many thanks again
David
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Hi all
Just checking re Trade Directories 1872-1880 for Birmingham, Warwickshire.
Walter Withers in 1872 in the 'Birmingham Post' is found guilty (alongside some mates) of destroying some gates of a school master.
Then, in 1878 he is at 8 Upper Sutton Street
1880 at 7 Caroline St as an engraver, lithographer
1881 Census he is at Park St, Soho.
Cannot find any Directories for 1872-1880 to see what he was up to. He doesn't appear in the 'Post' during those years.
Cheers