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This is a long shot but would be grateful if anyone could help.
Two brothers named William and Patrick Foy left Ireland for England in the 1860 s they resided in back to back housing in Warrington, England. They both married. I am trying to find where in Ireland they were born. Can anyone help
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
Can you provide us some more details please? Did they marry in England and what were their wives names? If they married in England, have you viewed either of the brothers' marriage regs to check what name they gave for their father?
Have you found them on the censuses with their families? Most of the time birth place is given as just Ireland, but occasionaly a specific area/place is given on a census.
Monica
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For example, there is this 1881 census entry:
Patrick Foy 36 farm lab b. Mayo, Ireland
Mary Foy 35 b. Galway, Ireland
Margaret Foy 11
Martin Foy 9
Mary Foy 7
Address: 18 Heaton Square, Warrington
Monica
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Hi Monica,
I have some details from find my past I will have to try and find their marriage certificates, they were Roman Catholic, I do know that. I did try and search for their marriages but couldn’t find them registered. Maybe they went back to Ireland to marry. I will try and get more information
Thanks for your reply though.
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What was the family's religion? Was it RC?
If the above census entry from 1881 is the correct one, there is an RC baptism that might connect:
Patt Foy
Baptism 29 Nov 1845 Mayo, Kilcolman, Ireland
Diocese Tuam
Parents John Foy and Mary Egan
Monica
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Hi Monica,
Thank you for that, I now need to re subscribe to find my past. Spent a lot of hours during Covid researching family tree. Then became too busy but need to get on with it again.
I would like to know if there are any family still around.
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There is another Patrick Foy in Warrington. Also from the 1881 census, wife also Mary www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27G-4H97
Main details for the families of Patrick and William would certainly help ;)
Monica
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Patt was born in 1841 his wife was called Bridget, their children were William, Mary, Ellen
Address also at Latchford, Warrington
I have found them on English census records but it doesn’t specify where in Ireland they came from, it does state they were born in Ireland and their children born in Warrington
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is this the brothers ? 1861 census
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Patrick Lawson Lodger Male 21 Ireland
Patrick Foy Lodger Male 22 Ireland
William Foy Lodger Male 21 Ireland
John Harfairty Lodger Male 26 Ireland
Patrick Conland Lodger Male 33 Ireland
Bridget Maney Lodger Female 21 Ireland
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the full info
England and Wales Census, 1861
Event Type:
Census
Name:
Patrick Foy
Sex:
Male
Age:
22
Event Date:
1861
Event Place:
Warrington, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Warrington, Lancashire, England
Registration District:
Warrington
Birth Year (Estimated):
1839
Birthplace:
Ireland
Marital Status:
Single
Occupation:
Agricultural Labourer
Relationship to Head of Household:
Lodger
Page Number:
34
Piece/Folio:
2791 / 67
Registration Number:
RG09
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Patrick Lawson Lodger Male 21 Ireland
Patrick Foy Lodger Male 22 Ireland
William Foy Lodger Male 21 Ireland
John Harfairty Lodger Male 26 Ireland
Patrick Conland Lodger Male 33 Ireland
Bridget Maney Lodger Female 21 Ireland
:)
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No marriages at all for William Foy in Warrington
2 for Patrick Foy
FOY Patrick O'BRIEN Bridget 1872 Warrington, Civil Marriage or Registrar Attended Warrington R/11/184
FOY Patrick KENYON Mary A 1873 Warrington, Civil Marriage or Registrar Attended Warrington R/14/4
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Hi
Thank you, yes this is the brothers
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Hi and welcome.
Who did Patrick marry? There are two possible marriages.
Who did William marry?
Do you have their marriage certificates which would show their father’s name.
Do you have all the census details?
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1881 Census
9 Walsh Yard, Latchford
Pat Foy head of household born in Ireland
Bridget wife, born in Ireland
William, son, born 1868,
Mary, daughter, born 1871
Ellen, daughter, born 1875
William Foy, widower, brother to Pat, born 1844 in Ireland
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Thanks. :)
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
This site shows Ellen Foy b 1874 with a mother’s name O’Brien.
It would point to the Foy/O’Brien marriage posted by garstonite.
That would give you a father’s name for Patrick.
The older children were born before that marriage though.
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Thank you,he will have been born in Ireland, I’ve tried looking but couldn’t make moss nor sand of it
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These are just observations from 1871
1871 3903/109/31
Haydock Street Warrington
William Foy 30 yrs
Bridget Foy 28 yrs
Plus 3 lodgers all born Galway
There is a death in 1880 for Bridget Foy, 39 yrs
This is the nearest I can see for Patrick in 1871
1871 3905/72/14
9 Union Street
Patrick Foghay 31 yrs b Ireland is a lodger with a family transcribed as Frin.
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Patrick had died by 1891? Bridget showing as a widow on her entry that year...and born in Galway isn't she.
www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:74M9-WT2
Monica
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How do I search for her marriage certificate and birth certificate from Ireland
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https://www.freebmd.org.uk/
September quarter 1872 Warrington volume 8c page 239
Patrick Foy and Bridget O’ Brien are on the same page.
Here is information re ordering.
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/Certificates.html
You won’t get birth certificates. Irish registration did not begin until 1864 so you would be looking for baptismal records. For this you would need to know parish details really. However, if you got the marriage certificate, you would have fathers’ names.
With regard to the older children, these records might be a possibility
William O’Brien b 1868 (no mother’s maiden name)
March 1868 Warrington 8c 191
1871
Warrington workhouse
Bridget O’Brien 33 yrs unmarried Farm Servant b Ireland ‘Mildough’ (transcribed)
John 11 yrs
William 3 yrs
Mary 18 months
Children b Warrington
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Thank you for sharing
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I have sent for some marriage certificates
Patrick Foy and Bridget O Brien. 1872
And also a William foy born circa 1868 married Annie Cunningham in Warrington 1895
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Good luck
I think this could be the marriage of brother William
December quarter 1866 Warrington vol 8c pg 235
William Fahey and Bridget Kelly.
The surname is open to interpretation re accent and spelling variations
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A lot of the entries are on 8c would this make sense, Patrick’s is on 8c in 1872, or do you think I have just got brain fog
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I don’t understand the volumes so I can’t help there sorry ::)
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Do you know which parish it was, maybe I could contact them via e mail, just a thought
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https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Warrington
Possibly St Alban?
According to this though, the records are at Lancashire Archives but maybe not the years you want. You could try there to check with your dates
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Warrington/StAlban
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According to this though, the records are at Lancashire Archives but maybe not the years you want. You could try there to check with your dates
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Warrington/StAlban
There's a printed list of church registers with years of holdings in Lancashire Archives. The list is divided into denominations. An internet search for Lancashire Archives Church Registers should find it. https://archivecat.lancashire.gov.uk
List of churches in Warrington on Lancashire Online Parish Clerks website. Transcriptions of some Warrington church registers are on this website but not Catholic ones yet.
www.lan-opc.org.uk/Warrington/index.html
Using LAN-OPC "Ancestor Search" for Foy, selecting Warrington, 1890 + or -20 years and a radius of 5 miles gets several marriages (including marriages of Foy widows) + baptism and burial, some at St. Elphin.
A guide to Irish research is Irish Genealogy Toolkit.
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/
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A lot of the entries are on 8c would this make sense, Patrick’s is on 8c in 1872, or do you think I have just got brain fog
Was 8c the volume for Warrington?
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It is registered in Warrington on bmd site as volume 8c
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According to this though, the records are at Lancashire Archives but maybe not the years you want. You could try there to check with your dates
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Warrington/StAlban
There's a printed list of church registers with years of holdings in Lancashire Archives. The list is divided into denominations. An internet search for Lancashire Archives Church Registers should find it. https://archivecat.lancashire.gov.uk
List of churches in Warrington on Lancashire Online Parish Clerks website. Transcriptions of some Warrington church registers are on this website but not Catholic ones yet.
www.lan-opc.org.uk/Warrington/index.html
Using LAN-OPC "Ancestor Search" for Foy, selecting Warrington, 1890 + or -20 years and a radius of 5 miles gets several marriages (including marriages of Foy widows) + baptism and burial, some at St. Elphin.
A guide to Irish research is Irish Genealogy Toolkit.
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/
The records I was looking at, that is the marriages of the two brothers Patrick and (hopefully) William, took place in Warrington. Cheshire BMD http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/. Indicates that they were Civil Marriage or Registrar attended.
The link I gave for Lancashire Archives is for St Alban and indicates that the relevant years are not available there.
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Thank you in advance for all your help
I’m still searching the Foy family and have now received marriage certificates
Patrick Foy was indeed married to Bridget OBrien, they married at St Albans Chapel in Warrington September 1872, Patrick’s father was also called Patrick but was deceased at the time of the marriage.
Bridgets father was also called Patrick and deceased.
William Foy, Patrick Foys son, married Annie Cunningham in St Mary’s Chapel, 1895, Warrington.
They were all Roman Catholic,
If anyone can help further I would be really grateful 😊
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Recap of census information.
1861 Patrick & William, lodgers in Warrington (Replies 8 & 9)
1871 Will & wife Bridget. (Reply 16)
A possibility for Patrick, lodging with a Finn family. (Reply 16)
Bridget, Pat's future wife + kids in workhouse, Bridget unmarried. (Reply 19)
1881 Patrick & Bridget, his wife, + William who was a widower. (Reply 13)
Are all the above definitely the correct Patrick, William and Bridgets?
When did Patrick and William die? Someone found a widowed Bridget on a later census, !891? I can't recall which Bridget.* Did Patrick or William appear on a census later than 1881?
*Added. 1891 census. Bridget, widow. (Reply 17)
Can we rule out Pat Foy in replies 2 & 6?
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Thank you to maiden stone
Yes I think you are correct, I haven’t been able to do much research for a while. Hopefully will get back to it this year.
Just to re cap, I’m looking for William Foy who married Anne Cunningham from warrington, father, who arrived from Ireland with his brother Patrick, all the information is on previous posts.
I’m really grateful for anyone’s help
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So when you say you are looking.... are you wanting to know about the Foy family in Ireland? Or are you wanting to find out more of their lives in England?
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Hi
Thank you for your reply. If possible, I am wondering if there is any family related to the people I have searched for, still in Ireland.
Anything is useful. I have found a William and a Patrick Foy, quite early on, they both arrived from Ireland in 1860 s and stayed in back to back housing in Warrington.
Any information regarding their lives or families in Ireland would be really appreciated.
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I’m still searching the Foy family and have now received marriage certificates
Patrick Foy was indeed married to Bridget OBrien, they married at St Albans Chapel in Warrington September 1872, Patrick’s father was also called Patrick but was deceased at the time of the marriage.
Patrick Foy's father being Patrick rules out a Patrick Foy baptism in Kilcolman, Mayo (reply #4).
Have you looked at "Surname Interests" under "Your Tools" and added yours?
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Information about Foy surname and distribution maps.
https://www.johngrenham.com/findasurname.php?surname=FOY
Have you looked at other Irish families in Warriington to see if there were any common origins? Many Irish went to places where they already had contacts.