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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Durham => England => Durham Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Elliven on Monday 19 July 21 13:11 BST (UK)
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Can anyone tell me if this man appeared on the 1891 or 1901 censuses. Many thanks
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Birthyear & birthplace needed with a surname like Johnson. 247 entries for that name in Durham in 1891 & 292 in 1901 - how do we know which one is yours?
Only 2 entries in Catchgate on both censuses - father & son & both coal miners
Have you used www.familysearc.org to check for census entries?
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All I know about him is that he was born about 1852 ish in Ireland and his wife's name was Eliza(beth) and he did have a son named George born about 1887 and several other children. He was a miner and ran a beerhouse as a sideline.
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Then he is the one I found on the 1891/ 1901 censuses but occ just coal miner. Both entries are on FS
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Thank you, I will look them up
Neville
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Elliven.
George JOHNSON is also shown on the 1911 Census 'though he is shown as aged 63. Perhaps this should have been 68. Every other family member shown in 1911 ties in with the 1901 and 1891 Census.
McTalbert
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McTalbert and CaroleW
Thank you both. I have found these entries. Originally, I was hoping that they would show him to be a beerhouse keeper but sadly they don't. I know he was licensee of the Green Tree Inn which was a very old (200-300 years) establishment which was reduced from an inn providing ales, wines and spirits, food and accommodation to a beerhouse then an off licence. It was a very good building which had been undermined and partly demolished due to subsidence caused by mining and eventually totally demolished.
Sadly, I am not sure how long he ran the establishment as these three censuses don't mention the beerhouse. It was a supplier of Vaux ales but I can't find out anything about it. The quest goes on!
Neville
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The Green Tree Inn was at 20 Claypath.
Albert Burtenshaw ran it in 1891.
James Marley ran it in 1901
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Elliven,
Where did you get the information that he was a beer retailer(http://)?
I have two old photographs, one of which shows THE GREEN TREE INN, the proprietor being J. T. Ridley. The other photograph does not show a name board and appears to be a totally different building.
Do you want copies?
McTalbert
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William Smailes in 1879: https://tinyurl.com/7vvjjthu
20 Claypath was the Durham County Alliance Workmen's Club by 1907: https://tinyurl.com/658hdy9t
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Ahh - I see I've been researching the wrong Green Tree Inn.....back to the drawing board !
https://www.karbonhomes.co.uk/about-us/media-centre/news/2021/may/your-place-in-history/
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McTalbert,
Yes please! I think I know the one with the licensees board and I am hoping against hope that the other one is an older photo before the partial demolition had taken place.
Neville
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ShaunJ
Stick with your original plan. The Claypath Green Tree was a totally different building and place but the one in the Karbon Homes story is the right one. This is the same pub but that story was so far wrong that they have removed a lot of it. They have left in the nonsense about getting its beer delivered in jerry cans. Since jerry cans were invented in Germany in the run up to WW2 for the German military, they would never have been available for the use of English breweries in 1939! Besides Vaux NEVER delivered their beer in jerry cans!
The bulding was 200-300 years old in 1939 and, although it later became a jerry (selling only beer) and then an off licence, it was formerly an inn. That means (historically) that it had to serve food and offer accommodation. Now you can open a licensed tea rooms and call it an inn!
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McTalbert,
He was listed in an 1894 directory as a beerhouse keeper in Catchgate and the Green Tree is the only likely place as there were licensees named for all the other pubs
Neville
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Elliven,
I recently sent some photos of Clough Dene as attachments but I can't remember how I browsed my computer to select the photos to attach.
I feel as thick as a plank.
Have you any suggestion?
McTalbert
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The Consett Guardian is a very recent addition to the newspaper archive. Have you seen the article in that paper 12 Sept 1890 regarding the sale of a property in Catchgate " the house and premises with off beer licence attached at present in the occupation of Mr George Johnson, as tenant." ? The buyer was a Mr Samuel Vincent of South Shields, ale and porter merchant.
William
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McTalbert,
On here just select add picture then follow the list that appears until you find the location ie Desktop, Pictures, Documents, Photographs etc (wherever you store them) then go to the picture double click on it and it will come into your post. If you don't know where you stored them, go onto the appropriate site Desktop, Pictures or whatever and at the top right there is a search box put the title in, click search and if it is in there it will appear.
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Millmoor,
Thank you. It is odd that he sold the place in 1890 but was still there in 1894 - unless the new owner bought it with him in place as a tenant. That is distinctly possible as he was an ale and porter merchant. Worth looking into
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The article quoted states he was the tenant in 1890, not the owner.
William
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Yes, and that makes more sense. He must have been a sitting tenant and the buyer probably kept him on to sell his brand of ales and porter. The building probably was in much better condition in thse days too (50 odd years before the original photo).
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Elliven
How embarrassing. I am even more pig thick than I realised. I am pleased that I am anonymous.
I can't find "Add Picture" anywhere.
McTalbert
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McTalbert,
Once you find the photo just double click on it and it should go into this topic then press the post item button just as though you were making a post on here and it should appear. Or you could just email it
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This thread is on a lookup request board. The attachment functionality is disabled on lookup request boards.
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Thanks ShaunJ,
I didn't know that
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Elliven,
Thanks to ShaunJ I have succeeded.
See you recent post on "the Jenkninson family of Tanfield".
McTalbert
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ShaunJ,
Many thanks for the information. I thought that I was going crackers as I successfully sent some photographs a few days ago.
Many thanks.
Mctalbert
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Thanks to you both - you have been a great help