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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: whittenbury on Friday 16 July 21 13:50 BST (UK)
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Hi, I wonder if someone could help me look up a birth of Charles Baptise Lippens. Born 4 July 1880/1
in Eekloo. On his papers in the US it states his parents as Francis Lippens & Rosalee Doohe.
The reason I am interested in him is that my G Grandmother was born 12 Feb 1876 in Eeklo, daughter of Karel Francis Lippens & Rosalie D'hooge. It just seems a coincidence of names of parents & could be a sibling of her?.
Many thanks if you can help
Den
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took a long time - but I found this Karel Francies Lippens b 24th April 1840 - married Rosalia D'Hooge AND in 1887 - 16th February to Leonie Marie Martin
https://gw.geneanet.org/ddeygers?n=lippens&oc=&p=karel+francies
father Bernard Lippens b 1813 Eekloo - and mother was Marie Louise Flocquin who died 1874
hope it helps :)
for what it is worth - it certainly looks like Charles and your gr grandmother had the same parents to me :)
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what was you G Grandmothers full name - I may be able to find her in a familytree ??
did you know that your G Grandmother had a Half Sister ( mother Leonie Martin )b 1893
Alma Lippens born 24th October in Eeklo
https://gw.geneanet.org/ddeygers?lang=en&pz=christiana+celina&nz=van+de+velde&p=alma&n=lippens
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took a long time - but I found this Karel Francies Lippens b 24th April 1840 - married Rosalie D'Hooge AND in 1887 - 16th February to Leonie Marie Martin
https://gw.geneanet.org/ddeygers?n=lippens&oc=&p=karel+francies
father Bernard Lippens b 1813 Eekloo - and mother was Marie Louise Flocquin who died 1874
hope it helps :)
for what it is worth - it certainly looks like Charles and your gr grandmother had the same parents to me :)
thank you for that, the only thing I dont understand from that tree, would be my Maria Valerie Lippens birth Registered at Eeklo on 16th June 1877 by
Karel Francies Lippens, aged 37, born in Oostwinkel and living in Eeklo,
Declared the birth of a child, a female, born at home yesterday at 12 at night,
Born to him and his wife, Rosalie D'hooge, aged 35, born and living in Eeklo,
To whom they have given the name Maria Valerie.
But on the tree that you showed they had another daughter Marie Louise Lippens born 1887? surley they would not have 2 girls named the same?
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what was you G Grandmothers full name - I may be able to fid her in a familytree ??
Hi, I just put on the thread above ;)
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I believe that “Charles” real name was Louis Baptiste LIPPENS. His birth cert (#171) starts here and continues on the next page: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9B27-KLH?i=50
BTW There were many other children. e.g. here is the family in the 1880-1890 population register for Eeklo: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSYT-W2VM?i=332 and also in the 1890-1900 register: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSYY-SQK4-B?i=236
FYI I have a Belgium family who had 3 daughters who had Maria as a first name (second names varied) .. and yes, all 3 were alive at the same time (the joy of being Catholic?)
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I believe that “Charles” real name was Louis Baptiste LIPPENS. His birth cert (#171) starts here and continues on the next page: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9B27-KLH?i=50
BTW There were many other children. e.g. here is the family in the 1880-1890 population register for Eeklo: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSYT-W2VM?i=332 and also in the 1890-1900 register: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSYY-SQK4-B?i=236
FYI I have a Belgium family who had 3 daughters who had Maria as a first name (second names varied) .. and yes, all 3 were alive at the same time (the joy of being Catholic?)
WOW! Thank you so much for that, I cant read the birth certificate :( But the 2x census type documents are fantastic :) Do you know what is says or refers to in the right hand columns?
Kindest Regards & thank you
Den
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Yes I agree that those BMD documents are rather hard to read .../
FYI You might want to have a look at the following population registers as well:
In the 1856-1865 Population registers for Eeklo, Karel Francies LIPPENS arrives from Zomerg(h)em in 1863: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSYT-69BT-9?i=554
(Of course Karel Francies gets married in Eeklo in1864: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:2:77TL-F9HS?i=241)
And in the1856-1865 Population registers for Zomergem, “Francies” can be found with parents and siblings: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSLL-4SJL-T?i=671 – it mentions that he leaves for Eeklo in 1863
(NB: the parents are the same as on his Oostwinkel BC: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939V-ZW93-JS?i=473&cc=2138513)
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Do you know what is says or refers to in the right hand columns?
Could you be more specific?
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Do you know what is says or refers to in the right hand columns?
Could you be more specific?
On the census type images Col 5, 6 & 13.
Once again thank you
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Tree Spirit
Thank you so much for all the things you have sent, sadly I cant read Flemish:( but I will keepall the links until I can find someone to translate them for me.
Kind Regards
Den
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#13 has to do with the end of residing in Eeklo ... either due to death (date) or moving to another place (location name)
eg 1880-1890 col#13 has an 1883 date mentioned for Rosalie. This should be her DOD and the #77 is probably the number of the DC. However for Alphonse it contains a location followed by dates (so he would have moved)
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Thank you :)
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Col#6 is the occupation.
I'm not very good at this, but if I read it correctly:
1880-1890 seems to contain W(?)ever, landbouw - werkman (weaver, agriculture - workman)
1890-1900 seems to say Leerlooiersgast (Tanner)
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Col#5 contains information regarding their "Burgelijke stand" i.e. their civil status, but in this case specifically abt their marriage
eg in 1880-1890:
- Karel was married in Eeklo on 2 April 1864 and remarried in Eeklo on 16 Feb 1887
- Daughter Marie Louise was married in1886 and consequently was moved to another part of the Eeklo population register
- Second wife Leonie Martin was married in Brugge in 1878 and remarried in Eeklo in 1887 (FYI the 2 girls following her were from her first marriage, while Alfred Martin was born out-of-wedlock)
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Col#5 contains information regarding their "Burgelijke stand" i.e. their civil status, but in this case specifically abt their marriage
eg in 1880-1890:
- Karel was married in Eeklo on 2 April 1864 and remarried in Eeklo on 16 Feb 1887
- Daughter Marie Louise was married in1886 and consequently was moved to another part of the Eeklo population register
- Second wife Leonie Martin was married in Brugge in 1878 and remarried in Eeklo in 1887 (FYI the 2 girls following her were from her first marriage, while Alfred Martin was born out-of-wedlock)
Wow, Thats fantastic
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One more thing :
Bernardus LIPPENS and Marie Therese FLOCQUIN marry in Oostwinkel on 30 May 1838: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939V-4YJX-P?i=184
I believe Bernardus’ parents are Martinus (a “stroydekker” ) and Livine(?) Therese WILLEMS.
Marie’s mum is Marie Catherine FLOCQUIN, deceased. NB Marie Therese’s 1815 Adegem BC confirms that she was born “onwettig” (illegitimate): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939V-4Y94-JW?i=81
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Tree Spirit, I can't thank you enough for all your help
Den
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You are very welcome ...
FYI There is more online stuff for this family, but I did not want to overwhelm you too much until you've had some time to process what's already been supplied
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You are very welcome ...
FYI There is more online stuff for this family, but I did not want to overwhelm you too much until you've had some time to process what's already been supplied
Yes I bet there is, those Belgium record seem to have so much information on them.
I have added all the children from his first marriage, will add the half siblings later.
I am so glad you found Charles (Louis) because I got a DNA match with a tree with him on & the parents names they had were so similar, A lot of people have him in their tree with the same details, but I never copy trees, I prefer finding facts about my ancestors.
On another note, as you seem to know how to navigate the records I wonder if you could do me a kindness?
Maria Valerie Lippens married Josephus Van De Putte Jan 26 1898, in Eekloo (I have those details). His Birth was 12 Feb 1876 also in Eekloo, they had 3 children that I know, Margarita 1898, Hortence 1901 & Magdelana 1903. They fled Belgium some time during WW1 & settled in the UK, But not Josephus, I was told that he was killed when they fled, would you have any clues as to how I could find his death?
Once again, I thank you.
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Unfortunately not many of Belgium’s BMD certs have been transcribed, so it is a bit hard when the search criteria can’t be narrowed down. And of course there is a possibility that he did not die in Belgium.
Without any luck I checked Eeklo’s 10-year death indices for 1900-1910 and 1910-1920 and tried a few other places in the area as well. Eeklo is close to the Dutch border, but nothing to be found there either. Also nothing useful on the sites (that I am aware of) listing WW1 victims.
The last time that Josephus turns up is in the 1900-1910 population register for Eeklo (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSYT-L3VD-5?i=287 … fyi occupation = “werktuigkundige” i.e. engineer/mechanic). There is no mention of him moving or being deceased by 1910 so the next register might give some clues, but unfortunately it isn’t online (yet?).
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Unfortunately not many of Belgium’s BMD certs have been transcribed, so it is a bit hard when the search criteria can’t be narrowed down. And of course there is a possibility that he did not die in Belgium.
Without any luck I checked Eeklo’s 10-year death indices for 1900-1910 and 1910-1920 and tried a few other places in the area as well. Eeklo is close to the Dutch border, but nothing to be found there either. Also nothing useful on the sites (that I am aware of) listing WW1 victims.
The last time that Josephus turns up is in the 1900-1910 population register for Eeklo (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSYT-L3VD-5?i=287 … fyi occupation = “werktuigkundige” i.e. engineer/mechanic). There is no mention of him moving or being deceased by 1910 so the next register might give some clues, but unfortunately it isn’t online (yet?).
You are a Star :) Thank you