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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Cienna on Friday 16 July 21 00:46 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
I am trying to find any info (birth etc) on Harold DUNN, believed to be born in Victoria to Annie Louisa Isabel WARE, no dates of birth or marriage for Harold......I know it's not much to go on but hoping for anything that may help.....thank you in advance.
Regards
Cienna
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With so little info - where does he fit in your FH and where did you get the info from re his mother?
Annie Louisa was b 1896 Strahan according to a tree on Ancestry & died 1994 Melbourne
Only one son shown b 1936 Melbourne - Patrick Dennis Smith died 2008 Melbourne
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There isn't a lot to go on I know, I was hoping I could find more to add to the family tree, his step grand-daughter passed on the info but wanted more, sorry there is no more to add, but thank you for taking the time to answer my query, greatly appreciated.
Cienna.
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In the death notice of the man proposed as ANNIE LOUISA's father according to the online tree, (named as Harold Albert WARE), it is possible that the LOUIE mentioned is Annie Louisa.
However, she is Mrs SMITH not Mrs JONES, so that is an inconsistency!
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2038818
Sue
Adding FYI
Harold died by means not quite clear and his body was found in the Yarra river. Sept 1924
Public Records Office Victoria; Victoria, Australia; Coroner Inquest Deposition Files (1840-1925)
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Harold Albert WARE was Annie Louisa's father......
Annie had 3 husbands, Cyril David JONES (no marriage certificate located)
John William SMITH, again no certificate of marriage located.
Harold DUNN to which nothing has been found regarding him.
Maybe she didn't marry Harold DUNN due to being in the SMITH name when her father passed.....confusing to say the least.
Thank you Sue for replying.
Cienna.
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I am trying to find any info (birth etc) on Harold DUNN, believed to be born in Victoria to Annie Louisa Isabel WARE, no dates of birth or marriage for Harold
Maybe she didn't marry Harold DUNN
Sorry, I am confused. Are we looking for a marriage of Harold Dunn to Annie Louisa Isabel Ware?
Or the birth of Harold Dunn with a mother Annie Louisa Isabel Ware?
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Cyril David JONES was KIA 19 July 1916. https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=1816197
His nok was his wife, Louie Jones.
JM
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See page 25 of that B2455 file. By September, 1922, his widow is noted as Mrs L Smith, but in January 1922 she was still recorded as Mrs L Jones.
EDITED, my crooked finger hit the send button TOO early. sorry.
JM
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Marriage to Cyril is on Victoria BDM site
JONES
Cyril David
Marriage
WARE, Isabel Louisa
1916
21/1916
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attaching snip with signatures from B2455 record p. 15 of 25.
JM
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2nd marriage
JONES
Louisa Isbla
Marriage
SMITH, Jno Wm
1919
1455/1919
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Thank you one and all. such a surprise with all this info, it will help me some.....I was looking for a birth and marriage for Harold DUNN and Annie WARE......nothing has been found on him, I ran a search for his birth and death and came up empty of info....
Hitting buttons too soon according to my son is fat finger syndrome, it happens to me a lot.....this family is very confusing due to the 3 different surnames...thank you all again, I appreciate the help.
Regards
Cienna.
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Like mckha489 I am confused about what you are after here.
You seem to be saying that Annie Louisa and Harold DUNN were a couple , but you have given nothing at all about what makes you think that.
Thank you one and all. such a surprise with all this info, it will help me some.....I was looking for a birth and marriage for Harold DUNN and Annie WARE......nothing has been found on him, I ran a search for his birth and death and came up empty of info....
Hitting buttons too soon according to my son is fat finger syndrome, it happens to me a lot.....this family is very confusing due to the 3 different surnames...thank you all again, I appreciate the help.
Regards
Cienna.
Why do you want to know when the man was born
Here is the birth of Annie in Tasmania.
Annie Louisa Isabel WARE
1896
At Strahan
Parents Harold Albert WARE,
Eliza Ann BENTLY
Sue
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Hi All,
I am trying to find any info (birth etc) on Harold DUNN, believed to be born in Victoria to Annie Louisa Isabel WARE, no dates of birth or marriage for Harold......I know it's not much to go on but hoping for anything that may help.....thank you in advance.
Regards
Cienna
Thank you one and all. such a surprise with all this info, it will help me some.....I was looking for a birth and marriage for Harold DUNN and Annie WARE......nothing has been found on him, I ran a search for his birth and death and came up empty of info....
Hitting buttons too soon according to my son is fat finger syndrome, it happens to me a lot.....this family is very confusing due to the 3 different surnames...thank you all again, I appreciate the help.
Regards
Cienna.
Well I thought Harold must have been her son ... and I had guessed he was probably born less than 100 years ago, so I am really confuddled now.
JM
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Harold Albert WARE was Annie Louisa's father......
Annie had 3 husbands, Cyril David JONES (no marriage certificate located)
John William SMITH, again no certificate of marriage located.
Harold DUNN to which nothing has been found regarding him.
Maybe she didn't marry Harold DUNN due to being in the SMITH name when her father passed.....confusing to say the least.
Thank you Sue for replying.
Cienna.
Confuddlement :) upon confuddlement.
What info is recorded on HER death cert about her marriages and her offspring.... :)
JM
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I have no death notice etc, I am totally confused myself, the lady I am helping has nothing to go on, I have tried every avenue to no avail....she has asked me to give up.
Cienna
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Well, I'm not sure that we are at that point, it is just that we do not know who Harold DUNN is supposed to be.
Is he a husband of Annie?
Is he a child of Annie?
Are there two of them, one her child one her husband?
All that is clear right now is that Annie was born in Tas.
Her father was Harold WARE
She had a number of siblings.
They all moved to Melbourne where her father Harold's body was found in the Yarra in 1924.
At that time Annie was Mrs SMITH. She had previously been Mrs JONES and was widowed.
Now with that all in mind, what is the suspected place of Harold DUNN?
Sue
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Sue's post makes sense. Thanks Sue, I am not confuddled any more.
Full Steam ahead.
JM
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I think I understand also the the step grand daughter is suggesting the name of-
her mother's father
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her father's father was a man named- Harold DUNN
Sue
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I'm still confused......
Annie Louisa WARE: parents: Harold Albert WARE and Eliza BENTLEY
Husbands:
Cyril David JONES (dec WW1)
John William SMITH, (Annie left John and went to reside with Harold DUNN)
Harold DUNN
Now that we are all confused, the lady I am helping has asked me not to continue.....
Thank you to all whom have answered.
Cienna.
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Ok.
That's fine. Maybe another time ;D
Sue
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Electoral rolls
1925 - 1931
60 Bellair St, Newmarket
John William SMITH, cigar maker
Louisa Isabella SMITH, home duties
1937
30 Boundary Rd, Newmarket
Harold Patrick DUNN, Labourer
Louisa Isabella SMITH, home duties
1943/1949/1954
32 Boundary Rd, Newmarket
Harold Patrick DUNN, Labourer
Louisa Isabella SMITH, home duties
Debra :)
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Hi Debra,
Thank you, this info is really helpful, at least now I have a middle name for Harold DUNN....thank you again.
Regards
Cienna
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Well, even more than that thanks to Debra's excellent hunting, you now have a clearer timeline of DUNN's appearance in the life of A L I nee WARE.
One of the name Harold Patrick DUNN died in Mildura.
Sue
ADDING
For your interest and future reference, the spelling form ISOBEL will assist in your searches.
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Actually, one SMITH son was named Harold Henry, born 1920, reg #31140.
Essie
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John William SMITH died near Kyabram aged 69 .
Father John Oli SMITH.(sic) Mother Florence An Eager (sic)
Year 1968. Reg 831.
This death certificate would further answer your questions and perhaps confirm or otherwise, a second marriage.
During his early life, he and his siblings apparently lived mostly in the Carlton area of Melbourne.
It looks like sometimes their father was with them, sometimes not.
Perhaps the marriage between Florence and John Oliver was a rocky relationship, but the electoral rolls show them at both separate and at shared addresses.
Florence filed for financial support in 1900 after John Oliver SMITH deserted her.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/241248276
The last of the registered children I can see is in 1905 Victoria. The first to Florence being ex-nuptial in 1895.
Sue
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Hi Sarah, I know it’s been 12 months since all this information above was spoken of; however, for some reason I have only just come across it and I wanted to share it with the Step granddaughter. Cienna said she was helping.
I am a granddaughter of Annie Louisa Isabel Ware. Nanna changed her name around a lot as she "hated the name Annie, which was also her mothers name" Nannas youngest brother at the time of her passing said he never knew her first name was Annie as everyone always called her Louie.
Nanna did marry Cyril Jones at St Albans church Armadale on the 29th March 1916 and sadly Cyril was KIA at Fromelles 19th July 1916.
Nanna married John William Smith at St James Manse Fitzroy on 11 Jan 1919 and they had six children, my mother was the youngest before Uncle Pat came along by Pop (Harold Dunn).
John William Smith is buried at Lancefield cemetery. My dad drove Uncle reg (John William Smiths eldest son) to Lancefield to organise the funeral.
Nanna lived with Harold (Pop) and as mentioned, they had one son Patrick Dennis Smith as mentioned above. I believe there was a twelve-year age difference between Nanna and Harold, if Harold’s age is correct on the plaque at the cemetery. Nanna was born on the 25th April 1896 and Harold, going by the plaque of his death being 66 in 1974 makes his birth around 1908.
Nanna left Pop (Harold) the day Uncle Pat was married. Mum has fond memories of Pop (Harold) and loved their time growing up around Hurstbridge on the outskirts of Melbourne, Victoria, Australia; however, his history is difficult to follow, and my understanding is, the mother he thought was his, wasn't.
Pop Harold Dunn died 23 Aug 1974 at 66 which would make his birth around 1908; and he is buried at Nichols Point Cemetery, Mildura. I know this to be true as my mum and her stepbrother Patrick Dennis Smith visited to lay flowers.
If what I have written doesn’t break any rules, I am happy for it to be forwarded to the step granddaughter and would love to know more on the Dunn side if she feels comfortable to share.
Kind Regards
Lee